Kemper Stage with Bogner 20th Anniversary Shiva?!

  • Hey guys,


    I like having options so I have my Bogner Shiva 20th Anniversary head with pedals for some gigs but I'm thinking of getting a modeler like the Fractal or Helix but leaning toward the Kemper Stage as I hear the amps are the best.

    As long as the effects are good, I'll be pretty happy.


    My Bogner amp has a Power amp Input and the amp uses KT88 tubes.

    I want to turn of can Sims and use it like a real amp with effects and rely on my own cab for the cabinet and speaker tones. I'm fine with this. I want the in the room feel and thump of my cabs. Plus I am only doing classic rock to metal. Not a massive variety here.


    Any thoughts on if this would work well with the Bogner? Again it has a dedicated power amp input for feeding preamp pedals and modelers.


    Looks like I'll grab the Kemper Stage unit.


    Thanks!


    Rich

  • It will work but for me it’s not worth the effort. If you are using a valve power amp you will colour the tones so won’t get the full benefit of an authentic profile. This might sound fantastic but it won’t be a true replica of the original amp. In this situation “its amps are best” effectively becomes meaningless.


    Next, the speaker and cabinet are at least half the sound. If you are going to simply use the same speaker for everything you will miss much of the variety available from something like the Kemper.


    As you are only doing “classic rock to metal.Not a massive variety here” I would just find another great amp that you like for variety.


    If it was me I would just use the Shiva and get a great FX unit. If money is no option then AxeFX III is the king of the FX units. If money is a factor then the Helix HX might be a better choice.


    If you want to go the Kemper route with a traditional cabinet I would go for the Powered Head or Rack.

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  • Thanks.


    In thr past I never like how profilers and modelers sound they full range systems. Never have the warmth I want and feel under fingers but I haven't tried Kemper yet. It's a big investment to only find out I may not like it. Maybe I'd love it.


    I saw several bands live use the Kemper. I watched a local tribute band called Van Halen Nation and he sounded awesome. He uses the powered profiler head into real Marshall cabs. Sounds great!


    I may end up gong the multi effects route as you say and maybe the four cable method so I could use the amp models too.


    In the end if the person likes it, who cares if it's full range or using my cabs. I used modeling years ago and had a blast. I turned off all cab Sima and used my cans. Still got tones of variety. With a fairly neutral cab, I don't need a full range system in my opinion.


    I'd still love to have the amp model options.


    I did look at the little Fractal FM3 as well.


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  • I was a Bogner Shiva user for years and yes you can use it as you describe. It sounds great that way. But... I wouldn't bother, personally. The Shiva is a heavy animal and in order to get the power amp tubes cooking you would have to get the volume right up. I highly prefer just a great Shiva profile.

  • I was a Bogner Shiva user for years and yes you can use it as you describe. It sounds great that way. But... I wouldn't bother, personally. The Shiva is a heavy animal and in order to get the power amp tubes cooking you would have to get the volume right up. I highly prefer just a great Shiva profile.

    Similar with me. I had (still have in a cupboard) a Mesa Triaxis and matching 2:ninety stereo poweramp. I could easily use the 2:ninety with the KPA but to my mind it just isn’t worth the effort. That thing is a beast and weighs about 3.5 tons 😆 Like all valve power amps it sounds best when run at a volume which is way too loud for most things so I would take a profile of this rig over my real rig every day of the week.

  • Similar with me. I had (still have in a cupboard) a Mesa Triaxis and matching 2:ninety stereo poweramp. I could easily use the 2:ninety with the KPA but to my mind it just isn’t worth the effort. That thing is a beast and weighs about 3.5 tons 😆 Like all valve power amps it sounds best when run at a volume which is way too loud for most things so I would take a profile of this rig over my real rig every day of the week.

    Do you want to sell your tri/290 rig?

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