Posts by Cederick

FIXED!!!

For some reason the control panel for my Tascam US-1641 had changed SPDIF out back to 1 and 2 instad of 3 and 4.

Anyway, it's solved

I had a Kemper at borrow from a local music store before deciding to buy, I back then I setup the reamping to try it out and I had no problems whatsoever.

However, now I bought it and I try to set up the reamping and it just BEEEEEEEEEEEEPS and sounds like feedback.
I'm not even getting any sound from the Kemper while playing back.

Tascam SPDIF Out ---> SPDIF In Kemper
Tascam SPDIF In ---> SPDIF In Kemper

One track with DI signal routed to Digital Out
The track that records is routed to Digital In Right

And I have the "Git / Stack" setting on the output activated as well as SPDIF Reamp in the Input section.

From what I know, I have done everthing right, but it just doesn't work!!!

heeeeelp

One of you said "lock" and one of you said "store"?

How do I save it? Sorry this must sound stupid but I can't find a "save" button

I just bought myself a Kemper rack and I'm so happy about it!!! Especially a profile I downloaded called SAVAGESHRED2 by somebody called Chris. Thumbs up!!!

But for me it sounds best without the "dist" activated.

How do I unactivate stomps and post-effects and then make it "permanent"?? Every time I go back to the profile it's back to default and I have to try and find my personal tweaks again.

Also, I did register my Kemper but I can't do any threads in the private forums??

Yeah I have read that too at some places.

Anyway, this thread isn't really of importance anymore, since I will go and buy the Kemper tomorrow

I wrote the wrong word above... Hahahaha.

My intention was to say "the difference was there", NOT "the similarity". English aint my first language so please excuse

Quote from nightlight

Based on the clips, I'd have to say the profile wasn't accurately captured. Much darker and more "woolly" than the original clip. I'd try doing it again with different mic placement or a different mic altogether and see if you can't capture a more open sound.

There's no mics involved.

The Engl e430 is a preamp that's lined without anything between.

Quote from DonPetersen

for that to work you would need to have the exact same input both times, that's why I suggested reamping.

But the similarity was there every time I profiled and played. I know how to play "the same" but the feeling and sound of the reference and Kemper profile was different every time. So reamping wouldn't have helped in this case at all.

Anyway... I'm buying myself a Kemper

I'm not going to profile anything myself anyway, so I'll probably be very happy with stuff I can buy or download.

Quote from benifin

Hi Cederick

I get where you are coming from and I too am very critical with my A/B'ing, but I offer you the following:-

- both A and B sound great
- they are very close
- A has more zing / sizzle

Whichever is which, give me 15 seconds with either and I can make them indistinguishable from each other - just tweak the Definition and Clarity of either and any difference will be so small as to be indistinguishable

Please don't misunderstand me when I say this as I mean nothing negative by it ........ the Kemper [ or the Axe FX ] will get you %95 there no worries ..... the marginal %5 you hear missing is more than made up for by everything else both units can do.

However, if %95 isn't good enough for you - and that's fine if that's the case - then best to probably not go with the Kemper or the Axe FX.

Either way, all the best .

Ben

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Yep it's totally good enough for me. I was just expecting 100% similarity...

Quote from michaelmellner

A sample has sensibly more definition and clarity while the B one is somewhat darker.

I like more the A sample and guess this is the real amp...but hope I'm wrong

EDIT: well....there ain't such a big difference though, while listening to them some more times. more definition is the right word to me

Ok time for reveal (wasn't many guesses anyway):

You are correct

Quote from DonPetersen

all A/B comparisons really need to be reamped to be meaningful.

what firmware are you using?
on SYSTEM page 13 - is the 'LFC Off' tickbox empty? (it should be)

but anyway it should be noted that the Profiler's core concept is to capture tube amp -> cab -> mic setups.
I have no idea what kind of speaker simulation is going on in this device, but the real test would be the aforementioned setup.

or you could take a direct profile (no speaker sim) and either compare that to the preamps direct signal (quite ugly, I know),
just to take the speaker sim out of the equation.

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I don't have the Kemper at home anymore, the music store only let me borrow it for 3 days to make up my mind about it before buying, so I can't check what version it is but it's probably 3.0 or later but Im not sure.

I DID take direct profile without speaker sim... And yes I did compare the preamp signal a lot before trying the cabsim.
And no matter what I did it didn't sound exactly the same.

Quote from hal2000

Oh man, my ears seems to be not as good as yours and as from the other posters. When i have to repeat often the tracks
and must concentrate much to hear a difference then i would be glad to have made such a profile. For me it would be good
enough. And imagine that track in a band context with all other instruments...
I think the Kemper resolution is too fine for my bad ears. Perhaps i should grade down to a POD

Haha you know what, I would personally love to "be satisfied with whatever sounds good" but I always notice tiny stupid differences in stuff... Gah.

I think you're better off with the Kemper dude

Actually, if the mix is good the differences can be heard even when there's bass and drums on top.

There's a good example; the mix is really good and the guitar sounds are amazing. But I CAN hear difference between the real deal and Kemper.

Note, that these differences doesn't really matter in the long run, but they are audiable when comparing next to each other. If I bought that guys album I would never guess it was a Kemper (unless I knew, haha), so that's how small the differences are.

Quote from viabcroce

Hello Cederik,
how were you comparing the amp and the profile when... profiling?
A mic'ed sound can't... sound like the amp in the room unless you use specific attentions (a test mic, killing early reverberations etc.).
The comparison should be made between the profile heard through monitors and the amp (mic'ed in the exact same way) heard through the same monitors from a different room.

And how did you record the Profiler and the amp in the clip? Was the mic left in the same exact position as when profiling?

Monitors AND headphones. I was comparing during profiling in the "kemper amp" and "reference amp" and no matter how many times I re-profiled and refined with hard chord strumming, it never really got to sound similar.

The Engl e430 was lined, so no room ambience was interfering with my critical listening.

Quote from michaelmellner

A sample has sensibly more definition and clarity while the B one is somewhat darker.

I like more the A sample and guess this is the real amp...but hope I'm wrong

EDIT: well....there ain't such a big difference though, while listening to them some more times. more definition is the right word to me

You hear the same differences like me

Quote from Sledge139

On my IPad speaker it sounds like the noise gate is up too much on the b clip.

There's no noise gate at all on these clips

Quote from Quitty

Sounds like the gain on A is higher.
As Sambrox said, the Profiler is better at the cab -> mic thing than direct profiles.
I assume it's electrical error - impedances and drift - that often make the gain slightly higher than it is. I've had it happen before.

The on-board controls are exactly for that purpose, as Hal2000 said. If you still have access to the Profiler, try reducing the gain a bit, maybe lowering 'tube shape' - they're both available while you're profiling the amp. I believe it will be easily handled.

Okay, that may be true, but I have no good way to profile a real amp at the moment (dont wanna lug my whole studio rig to the rehearsal hahaha) so I will leave that to the experts out there

I wont spoil which one is which yet

I understand I'm not an expert on this field, but I'm still very sure I did things by the book (I mean... I DID follow the included instructions)

I monitor in both headphones and monitor speakers, and I hear the difference in both.

And I hear the same difference on my internet laptop on Soundcloud listening to other peoples profiles, with cheap AKG headphones.

Here's two files one with real e430 and one with the Kemper profile. First you will notice there's a big difference, then it would be fun if somebody could hear which is the Kemper and not

I borrowed a Kemper from the local music store, and right from the start I liked how easy the thing was to use, I was browsing through profiles in a couple of minutes trying things out.

Just like expected (and read on the net) most stock profiles wasn't the best but then again, this is HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE. I found three profiles I kinda liked, which were all based on 5150 amps... Hahaha!

Anyway, I also tried the profiler. I COULDN'T GET THE SOUND THE SAME AS THE REAL AMP.

I was profiling an Engl e430 Tube Toner (e530 floorboard version) and I did profile it like 5 times, and did refining at least 5 times EVERY time, but it wasn't there. And yes, I was following the included books instructions from start to end.

Notice; the difference wasn't huge, or even small, the difference was MINOR.

But that's also a difference. I was expecting 100% the same.

Then I started going out on Soundcload and searching for "5150 kemper" and found a lot of comparisons of peoples real amp and profile; GUESS WHAT;

I heard the same subtle differences in OTHER peoples profiles... And not just one or two, but just about EVERY profile had the same "different sound"

I have VERY sensitive ears, even tho I don't like "clinical sounding recordings", I like a little dirt and stuff, but I still have a good ear for differences.

I even invited my girlfriend (who also has music recording as hobby, mostly electronic tho) to listen to the tracks I recorded and she pointed out the exact same differences as I could hear

Can most people not hear these differences?

Now... I can live with "different" because it does NOT sound worse. That's for sure. It does not sound bad at all. I'm really impressed with Kempers sound quality, and I despise most digital amp sim and whatever, all of those have a unpleasant high frequency fizz that most people know of, and I couldn't hear that with the Kemper, so that's good.

Is close enough? Because if this is what the Kemper offers and I'm not doing something wrong, then I might go ahead and buy one.

Oh... And the Kemper has an awesome tuner too