I find the switching time very fast. The kpa must load a full rig with fx... Its very fast, faster than all i used before.
Maybe you better switch rigs than performences. It could be a little bit faster.
Can you play a song with a problem switching the rigs? I never noticed a problem.
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Gotta love the guys that threaten to switch to Fractal.
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I still didn't understand if the two profiles are identical in volume.
I bet they aren't since there's a clear volume jump.
BTW, you probably have never tried a Lexicon rack unit: my G2 took something like half second to switch between patches.
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Gotta love the guys that threaten to switch to Fractal.
Its not really a threat. No one cares if my band does that. We're not exactly setting the world on fire haha. I do know some pretty influential members of the tech metal community however such as members of Sikth and Tesseract. I've been asked about one of them about this very issue. In the long run im sure it won't matter as like has been said, people like that will just buy 2. Must be great to have £3k odd lying about to do that.
Hell-G, my bands current single contains great examples of the difficultys created by this problem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMSzGUmgUiY
Listen to 0.49 for the first one.
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For those watching the test video, listen for the click of my foot on the footswitch. Its a good half seconds delay.
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Anything that switches channels has a delay. Whether it's a tube amp or modelling. A slight volume dip is preferable to a sudden switch because otherwise you'd hear a click.
I believe the Axe FX can switch amps quicker because it can load two in one patch and then you could switch between them. It would be like the Kemper loading fx in and out of the same patch. However if you switch entire rigs it's comparable to the Kemper.
Most people aren't going to need that, as switching channels is mainly something for live use - and live in a mix with other instruments, you will not hear the 'delay' which is minimal.
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I suggest buying a new watch, if that's half a second to you.
For those watching the test video, listen for the click of my foot on the footswitch. Its a good half seconds delay.
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Hell-G, my bands current single contains great examples of the difficultys created by this problem:
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I get you. You'd throw that Marshall right into the blacksmith's fire trying to switch on that change.
Great song
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To be honest this is a pointless thread at this point. I find the delay completely unacceptable, you guys don't seem to. This is probably because the music i write and perform has many critical patch change points that occur on the beat, and this delay makes these changes very difficult, as i can't just press the switch on the beat as i always have in the past with an amp. I have to guess a random and short amount of time before.
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I get you. You'd throw that Marshall right into the blacksmith's fire trying to switch on that change.
Great song
Thanks dude
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Are you playing with a click track live? You colud the have the switching done by a DAW and trigger the switching just in time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFgivem_NQ4 check this out.
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Are you playing with a click track live? You colud the have the switching done by a DAW and trigger the switching just in time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFgivem_NQ4 check this out.
We do play to a click yeah. Not from a laptop though, don't and probably never will trust a laptop for live use. Both Periphery and Tesseract utilize this method live with Fractals and its gone so badly wrong before that they literally weren't able to play shows.
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Ooops. Well, i wouldn't like to be chained to the machine either. So just get the feeling right for the gap . Maybe it can be smoothed out some day.
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chamelious, you're not alone in your complaint:
Fleetwood Mac tech's AxeFX vs. Kemper blog post
The rig switching lag time is fine for my purposes, but it would be nice if there were less of a volume ramp when the new rig has a harmonizer in it. See 2:04 of this vid:
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Ooops. Well, i wouldn't like to be chained to the machine either. So just get the feeling right for the gap . Maybe it can be smoothed out some day.
Another reason, is then we'd have to run separate tuners, as the way we play requires tuning after most songs. Guess i'll have to!
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To be honest this is a pointless thread at this point. I find the delay completely unacceptable, you guys don't seem to. This is probably because the music i write and perform has many critical patch change points that occur on the beat, and this delay makes these changes very difficult, as i can't just press the switch on the beat as i always have in the past with an amp. I have to guess a random and short amount of time before.
Probably you got the problem in the right way.
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Out of performance mode it would be worse.
I hear you about the delay, dude, and i've contacted support about it back in the day when i was building my MIDI footswitch - they told me they were 'working on it', which i assumed was just a standard issue CS response.
I think the problem isn't the rig loading but the time it takes to process the MIDI signal - when last i tried, changing rigs with the front panel buttons was much faster.The behavior certainly does exist on some amps and OD circuits, even ones who don't have anything digital in them.
It is also workable - as with a looper or my now-retired Blackstar HT-Dual, you have to get used to the timing and click a half second beforehand.
My trick is to synchronize the switch release with the song, rather than the switch press.
The dip is another matter and indeed an integral part of the Kemper, but i don't see you realistically switching between two identical rigs live and the dip is otherwise justified.The dip, by the way, is very common in amps because different channels often use different 'parts' of a 12AX7, or a different tube altogether - so switching a channel starts current through the tube from scratch.
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See 2:04 of this vid:
Gypsy Eyes coverThat transition sounds musical to me and quite decent, TBH
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OP:
1) Really liked the song, Dude, great video, cool mood, like the singer's voice.
2) That switch in the song is actually quite cool. Why would I say that? Your timing is so metronomic it breaks up the easily guessed at mechanical nature of the rhythm. My point is as a listener, it doesn't appear to be an issue
3) But it's an issue for YOU which as the guitarist making his music is all that matters. If you aren't making the switch with an FCB1010, I'd say either try the pedal gear others who say they aren't experiences such lag a try. Or, barring that, go with your gut (i.e. back to amps or to another modeler)
I've been lately listening to guitarists who throw in pauses and silence at otherwise expected notes, and it really works well as a listening experience. Makes things seem more organic. But maybe that's the opposite of your intended creativity so take it with a grain of salt.
Good luck with your solution and keep making great music!