OK Testing FW 3.0! [How Kemper works? All amps sound similar]?

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@nightlight simple test for You

1. Use 1 AMP profile (direct amp profile) with maybe 10 differents cab profiles (mic,cabinets,mic pos)
2. Then use 10 different profiles (also direct amp profiles - different amps higain, lowgain etc...) with the same cab profile.
3. Compare the results - in which case you get more different sounds? Step 1 or step 2 ?

Thx Man! but....I never use 2 times the same combination of microphones and position - I like to experiment;). Of course it is possible to do a profile of the two amps and 2 cabs and 4 microphones - Maybe in my Producer Pack II

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This I can do. Will get on it tonight and try to come to some inferences.

Every day I look at your producer pack and think I should pull the trigger. But in the middle of an exciting work related development, so I'm very stretched for cash. You will have my money some day, promised myself that.

Yesterday, I changed the tuning on my guitar from B to D# and your profiles have never sounded so good to me. Feel like the low tuning was getting muffled on my speakers, just didn't have the aggressive character and wide open sound of the higher tuning. Just so difficult to imagine with the kinds of profiles you're doing that there could be something lacking, I love the sound and the response. But I guess I don't miss what I haven't heard and since you have the amp and the ears, you're the expert and the man!

So a test of the impact of amplifier and cabinet switches on the Kemper profiler using stock profiles. Clip 1 is the reference clip using Peavey 6505 + Mesa 2x12V30 by Sinmix

The next four clips are the same amp with the cabinet switched to:
2 Mark IIC+ - Djemass

3 Marshall 1960 Vintage - r.u.sirius

4 MeBo Rect - Lasse Lammert

5 Till's Recto Modern 3 - Till Schleischer

And the last four are the Mesa 2x12V30 cabinet with the amplifier switched. based on the same profiles where the cabs were sourced, namely:
6 Boogie MarkIIC+ JP

7 Ironman Iommi

8 German Grease

9 Till's Recto Modern 3

I tried to do a mix of rhythm with some lead guitar to showcase how the sound gets effected. What do you think? A big difference to sound with amp switches, or when the cabinet is replaced? Both?

In my opinion, there are definite differences in all the clips. But is there any specific character to the distortions? I'm attributing the similarities to the guitar used and the fact that it's all reamped, which I believe will have an effect on how a profile sounds, specifically because I would adjust the way I play on one amp from how I'd play another, due to the way these things respond.

But you guys need to hear the clips and provide your feedback, because my ears are fried

For me the preamp character is retained in each.

Something is strange when using real guitar cabinet though.

did a quick test today

KPA ( with the last FW ) -> Bad Cat Unleash power amp ( FX return ) -> real cab with 1 Greenback

played a few random profiles created with various FW , and basiclly , they sounded / reacted the same way , some darker other brighter.

btw , the KPA still sounds amazing when used in the "right" way. (studio monitors , headphones etc. )

i still disagree with almost everything here

the KPA with new made profiles with a 100% clean poweramp sounds like the real amp does, not only in EQ...also in gainstructure

"different amps sound almost the same on real cab" yes - but with real amps - the same as with KPA, close, very close..but not the same and still different gain

cab and micing is extrem important..and yes 95%....but not only for the KPA...also for the Real amp.

I'm obviously super late to this conversation, but here's my 2 cents.
I've had my Kemper for 3 years now, I've tried a LOT of different profiles from a lot of different amps, and my take on it is that the more gain that is involved, the more that the individual character of an amp is smeared into something generic to all the high gain profiles. With cleans and low gain profiles, unique amp character is more audible imo. With high gain, I would say that the Kemper is not able to accurately capture the nuances of an amp's distortion characteristics. All high gain amps tend to have the same distortion with Kemper profiles. The EQ changes, but the distortion itself stays the same.
I think I noticed this the first time I tried to profile an amp with a Boss HM2 in front of it. The HM2 has a VERY distinctive distortion sound, and the Kemper absolutely fails to recreate it every time. It does a pretty good job of tone matching it with equalization, but the distortion characteristics are not even close to the source.
Kemper themselves, in the manual, state plainly that certain distortion pedals are not able to be accurately profiled. I take that as an open admission that the Kemper is limited to a certain gain structure...

the kemper is not able to capture the HM2 sound..thats true

I'm curious - when you guys say "high gain" - what does that equate to on the gain knob, for you personally?

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I'm curious - when you guys say "high gain" - what does that equate to on the gain knob, for you personally?

2 o clock maximum, more sounds muddy to me. Difficult to say when combining Stompbox gain and amp gain.

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@Michael_dk special for You 5 Samples (DI from You) What sound the best?

http://www.brickwall.pl/michael/

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I don't know man, they all suck pretty bad (but that's the playing)... Where did you get that DI? Was that from the MW free pack thread?

Anyway, I liked E the best, I think.

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otherwise, Becouse all my 5 samples are RAW sound only delay + reverb added in DAW please reamp it on your favorite profile and show what do you like? no eq,delay,reverb, - just "pure" amp profile sound ok? can you do this for me?

http://www.brickwall.pl/michael/ - DI ADDED

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I said they all sucked cause the playing was bad, not due to the tone sorry if that didn't come across clearly

yes - all sound different (sorry )

my first thought was - just different mics, so i wonder even more about same cab/mic position

Clean profiles are more about feeling/dynamic. i can check 100 Clean profiles..i will maybe like 5 even when the rest also does not sound bad

yes and thats ok

Ouch...not at all what I expected. I thought the differences would be huge (obviously this is subjective), but as it turns out, real amps through the exact same cab+mic (let's not forget MIC, here) system, sound kinda.....the same, maybe I was too hard on the kemper then.