Feature request: Master volume option for volume pedal

    Please allow controlling master volume without having to do NRPN midi messages.


    Either having a new mode for volume pedal or having a switch connected to remote to activate/deactivate +X db boost.


    This way we could get boost without affecting tone and have the am model clipping (red light) which can be heard on some systems.

    Quote from Reiska

    This way we could get boost without affecting tone and have the am model clipping (red light) which can be heard on some systems.


    You can set "Volume Pedal " Location to "post stomp" in the Rig Edit Menue (page 3 / 5)
    Then the tone will not affected. The max Volume is defined by many setting (Amp, Cab , EQ etc.) and should not so high that output led becomes red.

    Quote from hjscheffler

    Master volume is controlled by CC7 and not by NRPN messages


    can someone point me to a source explaining how to control kemper mastervolume with expression pedal? i would like to control the master so I dont have to worry about clipping. Best would be to have a +xdb master volume boost toggled by switch.

    Quote from Reiska

    can someone point me to a source explaining how to control kemper mastervolume with expression pedal? i would like to control the master so I dont have to worry about clipping. Best would be to have a +xdb master volume boost toggled by switch.


    Quite simple, hjscheffler already told you what you need to know.


    Send a midi CC message on channel 7. Loudness will be dictated by the value you send, 0 for off and 127 for maximum.


    If you want to use an expression pedal, map it to that channel and it should work like a charm.


    But using an expression pedal to the Kemper set post-amp and you should have similar results.

    Quote from nightlight

    Send a midi CC message on channel 7. Loudness will be dictated by the value you send, 0 for off and 127 for maximum.


    If you want to use an expression pedal, map it to that channel and it should work like a charm.


    Hate to be a smart-ass, but it is NOT midi channel 7. It's control change (CC) no. 7.
    To be able to communicate controller and device to be controlled (i.e. Kemper) need to talk on the same midi channel, which could be any from 1-16. ;)

    Quote from Reiska

    can someone point me to a source explaining how to control kemper mastervolume with expression pedal? i would like to control the master so I dont have to worry about clipping.


    Reiska, the Master volume sets the attenuation of the signal going from the Profiler's pre to the power amp\mixing desk. You'll not see the Oputput LED clip when you clip the power amp: you'd need a meter\clipping LED on the power amp's input.
    IOW, this is something that should be done once and for all at any venue: just pick yuor louder rig, strum hard and let the soundguy set his levels.


    If you are looking for a way to not clip the Profiler's output instead, look at the rig Volume. the exp pedal placed after the stack will do the job.
    You should set the rig's level so that with the pedal in tip position the output LED barely touches the red.


    HTH

    Thanks for all the answers!


    The rig I use is Kemper (non powered), kemper remote and Boss expression pedals straight to kemper. Kemper monitor out to monitor and main out to PA.


    I requested this feature to not to have to set all rig levels individually to avoid clipping the Kemper output as I find on some systems it creates this digital buzz and crackle to the sound.


    I think I can manage with your advice, I just need to tweak the profiles more this way and probably put -3 to -5 db to every rig volume. Maybe with the coming morphing functionality I can solve this also by automating rig volume to rhytm and solo values.

    The Kemper Out is clipped by the rig volume. That's what you need to lower, and you can already do this with a pedal.
    OTOH, it doesn't seem a good idea to start with a clipping rig and then lower its volume through a pedal.
    As I repeat, check that you're not clipping the power amp\mixing desk. if this happens, it will be enough to lower the power amp\mixing desk input gain or the Profiler's Master Volume once and for all (an ideal output might be around -15/-20 dB).


    Hope to not sound harsh, might it be that you don't have a clear representation of the devices chain and their proper gain staging?

    Viabcrose, yes I get that and thx for input.


    what I mean that by default most of the profiles are not clipping and if they are it usually is very hot pickups you can compensate with input clean and distortion sense section.


    But I usually cannot set a volume boost to effect slot without starting to clip the output. This means i have to start lowering the rig volume and then adjust the rigs I want to use for this same volume. This is ok, but I find it difficult to balance the loudness as I cannot hear the difference when playing low volumes at home where I am tweaking the rigs. only with rehearsal/gig volumes these differences are apparent.


    I am just trying to find an easier way to get consistent volume boost over different rigs, I know it can be done with the existing features for each rig separately, but having it in master volume section would bypass all these possible volume/clipping issues in rig settings.

    Quote from viabcroce

    I hear you, but then what you are asking is a General Rig volume attenuation, because tweaking Master volume will not prevent clipping the output! :)


    Then I want this :)


    Thanks for input and help guys!