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    I added the Effects Loop to the signal chain page. :thumbup:
    I hope I did not spoil it - my first wiKPA entry.


    Hm - there is something irregular with the blank line after my entry...

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    I have been away for quite a while. A few years ago I sold my KPA and since then played my own small tube amp with a Bad Cat Unleash. Now I am back because the DI-profile that I made from my amp sounds very much convincing to me.

    Quote from ckemper

    If the community or Lightbox ask us to host the wiki due to reasons of administrational efforts or costs, we'll be happy to do so.


    And I certainly appreciate the offer, although we won't do it like this for now.
    I'll explain why:


    Currently it's running on one of my servers and I have direct access to all components of the Wiki system. I can do updates, backups, setup extensions, configure the whole system easily. And I'm responsible for what I do. I can handle potential risks easily and I have full control of what's going on.


    This situation would change completely if it's hosted on another company's server. Even if they setup a dedicated server only for the Wiki because this way there would be no direct and indirect connection to any kind of sensible data. It would still be difficult to give me the necessary administration rights without an agreement on legal liability etc. Everybody knows that no software is free of bugs or security issues. Even if you try your best to prevent security issues, there will always be some left or some new appear. I want to be able to add functionality to the Wiki if needed without a lengthy security audit process or lengthy communication. Now I can and this makes it very easy for me to maintain the site and the Mediawiki system.


    Another scenario would be to completely hand over the responsibility and administration of the Wiki to Kemper GmbH. I'm not so sure if this would be a good choice for now. They are a small company with very limited resources. I can't imagine right now that they can dedicate one employee to take care of the forum and the wiki and the rig exchange full time. Everything you publish on the web that is community related needs a lot of care and time. You have to be part of it, somehow. Otherwise you'll quickly loose contact and miss user requests, bug reports, other system flaws that should get fixed to make it a nice and streamlined experience for everyone.
    Don't get me wrong, they're trying their best and the existance of the Forum is great, no question. But since I am VERY experienced in running forums, I notice many things that simple don't get the love they would need. I can't even blame them to hard because I know that they are packed with other important work. But still ... a complete and feature rich community system needs a lot of constant work. I don't want to add to the work load by throwing the Wiki system at them right now. :)


    First of all we (the entire community) have to prove, that we actively use this Wiki system, otherwise it's a dead-end road anyway. ;)


    Hope this makes sense,
    Martin

    Quote from lightbox

    Great. :thumbup:
    I added one more blank line, should be ok now.

    Ah, now I understand how!
    Learning wiki. Cool!


    But I guess after many more FW generations updating older, obsolete entries might turn into quite a gigantic work!

    www.audiosemantics.de
    I have been away for quite a while. A few years ago I sold my KPA and since then played my own small tube amp with a Bad Cat Unleash. Now I am back because the DI-profile that I made from my amp sounds very much convincing to me.

    Quote from fretboardminer

    But I guess after many more FW generations updating older, obsolete entries might turn into quite a gigantic work!


    hehe, that might be true. CK already warned us when he said:
    "The sound of the Profiler will never change" .. he didn't mention anything else than the sound. :)
    We'll see how it turns out. Christoph already promised me that we will get support from the mothership if we manage to make it a great resource. I hope he meant active editing support where needed. :)

    I once was confronted with the meticulously painstaking process of supervision and super-supervision and re-revisors at wikipedia.org, when I just wanted to have some details fixed in an article about myself, that someone else has created there. That was a bit awkward, but at the same time I perfectly understood: if we want it to be relyable it needs a lot of work from these guys.

    Quote from lightbox

    I hope he meant active editing support where needed. :)

    Yes!

    www.audiosemantics.de
    I have been away for quite a while. A few years ago I sold my KPA and since then played my own small tube amp with a Bad Cat Unleash. Now I am back because the DI-profile that I made from my amp sounds very much convincing to me.

    Quote from fretboardminer

    ... the meticulously painstaking process of supervision and super-supervision and re-revisors at wikipedia.org ...


    Yes, something we should be able to avoid in our Wiki. It's just not as big as Wikipedia and generally the folks here are very different to some of Wikipedia's watch dogs. :)


    Talking about watch dogs:
    If you create a new page on wikpa.org, please make sure to add it to the main category by adding the following markup at the very end of the page:


    Code
    [[Category:Main]]


    We can add more than one category to each page, but if we agree on this main category on every single page, it's very easy to export / transfer the whole wikpa content to another Wiki system or to make simple backups of the content. :) I've already added the above category to all existing pages.


    Thanks,
    Martin

    Good explanation! But it needs some fine tuning:


    " it also contains all parameters, tweaks and additions made inside the Kemper Profiler."
    All sentences that contain words like "all", "always", "never" and such are always wrong, and never say it all. ;)


    I mean - there are those System parameters that are not stored in a Profile.


    I will make a proposal later, but, hey - sorry guys, now I have to hop on my bicyle and do a few kilometers in the marvellous summer sun!

    www.audiosemantics.de
    I have been away for quite a while. A few years ago I sold my KPA and since then played my own small tube amp with a Bad Cat Unleash. Now I am back because the DI-profile that I made from my amp sounds very much convincing to me.


    I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here, but for me the explanation of rig vs. profile is simple as stated. Adding more to it IMO would take it outside that definition and into an explanation of system capabilities ...

    Go for it now. The future is promised to no one. - Wayne Dyer

    My point was, that saying: "A rig (..) contains all parameters, tweaks and additions made inside the Kemper Profiler." is just not true and might mislead people to thinking that once you stored a Rig, all your settings are save. (Which they are not - the System and Master/Output settings might get lost if you do some kind of reset and then just only reload your Rigs.)


    Maybe you are right and this is delving far too much into encyclopaedic semantics.


    So now (after riding 20 Kilometers around Flughafen Tempelhof :D ) it suddenly dawned to me that we might just take out the word "all". That would still serve the purpose of explaining Rigs against Profiles and yet would avoid the pitfalls of going too much into misleading details.


    So my proposal:
    "A rig is the signal chain based on amp profile and/or a cabinet profile but it also contains all parameters, tweaks and additions made inside the Kemper Profiler."

    www.audiosemantics.de
    I have been away for quite a while. A few years ago I sold my KPA and since then played my own small tube amp with a Bad Cat Unleash. Now I am back because the DI-profile that I made from my amp sounds very much convincing to me.

    I would say a Kemper amp profile is what is captured and created using the Kemper profiling process.
    Once the profiling processes is completed it is saved as a Rig.



    After all there is no profile exchange on the Kemper site just a Rig exchange.


    So the statement above would be consistent with what Kemper has setup on there site.

    Edited 3 times, last by troynova ().

    The profiling process will allways create a Amp and cab with the influence of a Mic to me this is a Rig.


    Though we could say the profile is saved as a Amplifier ( profile) in the stack section of a rig.