Posts by MarkusUz

Quote from meambobbo

Can you provide a di file and a few lasse lammert reamps without any tweaking. I can reamp and compare.

What is your spdif output set to? Master mono, master stereo, stack or mod stereo?

Do you have your interface set to use an external spdif clock?

What input is your reamp track recording? Spdif L only? Are you sure you are not mixing the stereo output of the kpa together into a mono track in the daw - with space on, thatd end up sounding weird.

Finally have u tried doing a factory reset? http://foobazaar.com/wikpa/index.php?title=Emergency!

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It has always been Master Stereo. I'm not sure what all the output options mean, but Master Stereo, Mod Stereo and Stack sounded all the same to me, and everything with the word "Git" didn't give any sound as I was reamping. (Maybe because I recorded just Left?)

Interface is set to external SPDIF. Without this I would get a weird phaser effect.

I record SPDIF Left.

I have done all the resets adviced by kemper support.

Quote from hal2000

I think they are not so bad but nearly similar. I can't hear the special sound of every amp.
Like meambobbo said: give us a clean SPDIF file for reamping and we can make some
tests for you...

I agree they sound too much alike. Like there is the same harshness, brittleness and lifelessness in all of them.

I will try to give you some samples... I didn't realise how small they have to be to attach here...

Hmm.. for some reason if I put the full address, just that image comes... you can copy this address I think:

soundcloud.com/user-994759021/sets/kemper-tests

*All samples are two guitars panned L and R
*No tweaking on rigs, except reverbs and delays turned off
*Pure cab off

Sorry for the messy playing...

I have made test recordings with all sorts of higher gain (from about 5.0 to about 8.0 gain) rigs from different manufacturers.

In my humble opinion... there is something wrong with the sound of them... all of them. But it's not like one rig has one problem, and another rig has another problem. To my ears, all of them share a problem... a harshness... but I just don't know what is causing it.

Could you please take a minute and just give a quick listen to the samples and give your opinion:

EDIT:

soundcloud.com/user-994759021/sets/kemper-tests

Quote from meambobbo

Dont worry about input as much as output. If output is ever hitting red, turn down a bit. Even if its just yellow, there are probably peaks you can see that are clipping.

I use spdif and even when the meter for my interface is consistently between -2 and -5 db, I can definitely still hear clipping occassionally. I try to keep between -12 and -6 db.

Its always worse for cleans, as the clipping stands out more and there are bigger peaks to deal with, but still applies to high gain.

Thanks.

I don't think in this case it's about clipping. But that is still good advice. I always see that the Kemper output is not clipping. But I have to say I have went for more than -6 dB in the interface. Maybe I should lower that just to be sure.

Can I ask, what level do you usually use for SPDIF out? I don't remember anymore what I had when I recorded those samples... maybe -10 or -5.

Markus

Quote from Michael_dk

Hi Markus!

Welcome to the forum.

I'm wondering, do you have any previous experience with hearing a cab recorded through a microphone?

Listening on very good headphones, I'll say that 2 and 3 sound horrible, but I'll chalk that down to that stomp just not being suitable for the profile used and/or guitar.

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the other profiles, but maybe the sounds don't appeal to you.

Try messing with the pure cab in the output section, and with the definition parameter in the amp section and see what that does.

Two questions: How are you connected to the kemper when recording? And is anything flashing red or reddish when you're playing (input or output leds)?

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I connect with SPDIF, but also sounds the same (to my ears) with normal output.

Output is not red... input, if I remember correctly, goes a little orange sometimes, maybe even red if I strum really hard, but not like constantly.

Kemper support also suggested the Pure Cab. I remember that last time I tried it, I wasn't happy. But I'll give it another shot.

Thanks mate,

Markus

Quote from kukulkahn

Also, in my experience, there are profiles so good, that will fit perfectly with my guitars without any need of tweaking anything in the kemper (not even stack eq adjust is needed).
Hope you can get your axe deliver thunderous metal tones

Thanks mate!

Quote from ckemper

Pleasr do a System Reset (not Rig Reset) and try a number of rigs.

Yes, Kemper support adviced this, I did it, and after they reamped my sound they got same results as I, so it wasn't my unit's fault.

The thing is with those Lasse Lammert's and Premier Profiles, that they do sound "ok" on their own, but put them in a mix and they just turn to boom, hum, harshness and fizz... in my opinion. I think in a mix they really show how in-organic they are.

Now, I bought Guido Bungenstock and Tonehammer... and I have like 150 new rigs to test. I tested them quickly yesterday and they sounded good. But I really want to hear them in a mix before I get too excited.

Best,
Markus

Quote from Nikos

What;Using a clean sound with a distortion pedal for metal sounds;This way you will always have a lots of "work" to make it sound good with the KPA.I dont like this at all.Just does not sound good for me.Is this where you´re "comming from" before you bought the Kemper;Than just start to think about to change your "philosophy"..

A bit of a misunderstanding. The last thing you said in your last post was to take a considerable distorted rig and tweak from there, and I answered "Yes, that's actually how I try to do it always." So, THAT is how i try to do it.

Thanks for the suggestions, I will check them out.

Quote from Lokasenna

4, 5, and 6 all sound perfectly fine to me.

1, 2, and 3 sound like you don't have a cabinet module turned on, so there's nothing to filter out all the harsh noise and fizz from your pedal/amp.

You can't just take any old clean profile, throw a metal distortion in front of it, and expect a good sound. There's a reason nobody in the real world buys a Metal Zone and plugs it into a Blues Deluxe. When metal guys talk about using a distortion pedal with a "clean" amp, they usually mean taking a good metal amp, like a JCM or a Recto, turning the gain down to be fairly clean, and then boosting it with a pedal. The amp and cab are still giving you the same voicing, but the distortion gets more clarity and the low end is usually tighter because the pedal is rolling it off beforehand.

The cab simulation was on. But again, this was just to test if the distortion in my Kemper was functioning as it should. I thought a simple way to test it was just to take a 0 gain profile and turn on the gain, just to see if the sound alters according to the way a healthy Kemper should work. So, apparently it went just as it should.

Thanks for your advice.

Quote from hal2000

Difficult to say whats going wrong there. In the past i had harsh tones with my Strat too. I change to Humbuckers
and it was a different world.
I you want, you can chose a free profile (which make harsh tones to you) and send me that saved profile. Also send
a record made with spdif.
Then i will load this profile and will do a SPDIF record too. So we can see if it is something with your Kemper or not.

Thanks very much. I already made this with Kemper support and they received the same result with one of my rigs, so I guess my Kemper is working as it should.

Best,
Markus

Quote from kukulkahn

What I don't understand in 2 and 3 is why are youusing a clean profile and put a distortion stomp before it adn then increase the gain. Like this it will always sound as pedal distortion because the distorted character of the amp was not captured in the profile, which was made on clean settings.
If you want high gain why not just start tweaking from a considerable distorted rig that you like, as in 4 , 5 or 6? That's the way to go.

Yes, that's actually how I try to do it always. I just wanted to know if other ppl get the same harshness as I do, when increasing gain/adding a stomp on a clean profile. Just to test if my Kemper is operating correctly.

Thank you very much everybody for suggestions. I will check out all of those rig providers and also try and start tinkering with the Pure Cab, EQ and others stuff you suggested.

Cheers,
Markus

So... despite ppl agreeing the sound wasn't good, the reamping by technical support confirmed that there is nothing wrong with my Kemper.

To my ears... the high gains are not natural, sadly, but I guess that's the way Kemper is then.

My search for not harsh distortion rigs continue...

So far I have bought a bunch from Premier Profiles and Top Jimi, along getting a bunch of free rigs.

I'm open for suggestions.

Best,
Markus

I contacted the support and sent them DI recorded sample along with other stuff and information, let's see what they say.

The resets didn't work at least.

It would have been nice to hear how it sounds with others when you just take a clean rig and put the BM Brite distortion on it, or turn up the gain... just for comparison...

M

Thanks Monkey,

and thanks Giallanon, I will try that today.

So, at least the consensus seems to be that it is not working as it is supposed.

Markus

I wonder if you have something similar to my problem. I just started another thread, and I put there a link to my crappy sounding samples... have a listen and see if we might be having similar issues:

Please listen... is this the way Kemper should sound?? Problem with sound

Thanks, Monkey_Man. I appreciate your input. I'm glad I'm not the only one hearing the crappiness... in a way.

I quickly tested and yes the cab was on on those, and it sounds even harsher with it off.. like it should. So, that's not the problem. Or maybe the cab simulation is not working properly?

Could you or anyone else test with a clean profile and the first distortion stomp to see if they will match the numbers 2 and 3??

Cheers!
M

Hello,

ever since I bought Kemper I've had problem getting a good distorted sound out of it. I was so assured that the fault can't be in Kemper that I tried different strings, changed EMG 81 pickups to my Kramer guitar, changed to using SPDIF output, got a bunch of commercial profiles, and also I doubted my Focusrite Scarlett 18i8, but I don't really think it's from that. As I'm running out of options, it has to be the Kemper itself. So, the question is, is there something wrong with my Kemper?

Could you please, and I would really appreciate it, listen to a couple of samples I recorded, and try to determine if there's is something systematically wrong with them. To my ear they sound thin, harsh, distant and weak.. especially the ones with the distortion pedal, but others also in smaller scale, but still enough to make them sound bad to my ears at least. Maybe you can replicate them with your own Kemper and try if it sounds the same.

1. A clean profile.
2. The same clean profile but I added the first distortion pedal from the stomps (BM Brite) and didn't touch anything else but adjusted volume so it wouldn't clip.
3. The same as before but I turned the gain from 0 to noon.
4. Lasse Lammert Big Rock profile.
5. Lasse Lammert Chain of Damnation profile.
6. Premier Profiles JCM800 Tight Heavy.

*I have the newest firmware.
*No EQ on outputs.
*Clean and distortion sense are 0.
*Pure cabinet is off.
*I accidentally left on 4.4 of "Space" to the output... don't remember seeing that before.. did it come with the new firmware update? Anyway, it's not enough to lead us astray here.

Please, ask more information if you want. I can also record more samples. Notice also the pops and crackles in the second sample... what's going on there??

I created the video with movie maker and also putting it to youtube seems to cause loss of audio quality, but I hope this is enough for you to determine if the Kamper is working.

Cheers!

Markus