Posts by benvigil

Quote from Wheresthedug

I think clip 2 unfortunately.

I say unfortunately because I actually much prefer clip 2 but think clip 1 has a “Kemper signature” to the sound.

I hope I’m wrong

Same here for the same reason.

I was just passing on that Mick from Xitone mentioned he was NOT planning on using the built-in crossover. Perhaps an open-cover OEM version will be available to to OEMs, who knows...

Actually, Mick Farlow (Xitone) said he'll be bypassing the crossover on the F12-X200 in favor of the crossover in the Dayton PPA800DSP. With the Dayton you have 12 parametric EQ filters (6 on each side of the crossover) that help you really dial in a real nice and smooth curve for most decent driver pairs.

As AZRipp mentioned, it also means the Xitones are dialed in for that driver and will not sound right at all with another driver unless you get in there and play with the amp DSP.

Quote from Crash 317

Sorry to resurrect this thread. But wanted to bring it back around to the earlier question. Perhaps more of a feature request.

That is -- MIDI control that switches effect presets (e.g. Reverb, Delay, Tremolo, etc.).

For example, I'd love to have a 6-switch MIDI controller programmed so that each switch changes to a different Reverb preset with one press. That effectively expands the 4 stereo slots exponentially. It would also allow us to utilize only one stereo slot for Delay, one for Reverb, one for Tremolo.

All of this becomes more useful as more top-shelf reverbs are released. I don't know how to make that happen, but Kemper is great at creative solutions I could never have imagined.

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This would be a great new feature request thread.

Quote from digbob

i don't believe its the K12H-200TC

i tested several whizzer cone drivers

and all didn't work as well as the F12 , which i have here in the moment

with the Kemper

they all sounded Dark , not amp in the room like, and with Music played thru them

def nothing in the high range

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1: The new driver is BASED UPON another driver, so nobody's actually heard what it sounds like, and

2: the Kemper Kone feature is likely engineered to flatten out the known response of that driver, the result of which nobody has heard either.

It's also instructive that, in person, CK mostly uses the term "broadband" when talking about the Kabinet driver. That, combined with MBritt's words, doesn't leave much room for the possibility of it being the F12-X200. The K12H-200TC is also half the price and lighter.

You guys should go listen to the video I linked to hear MBritt's own words.

I'm sticking to my original prediction that it's a custom version of the Celestion K12H-200TC, or maybe even the K12H-100TC.

Michael Britt: ". . . full range, dual cone, no tweeter . . ."

I didn't see this posted anywhere else...

"Proprietary Celestion speaker, a full range, dual cone, without an extra tweeter or anything like that." - Michael Britt

Nailed it.

Quote from Burkhard

We are considering additional Hi and Low Cuts in one of the next OS revisions, which would free up your X Module.

It would be awesome to have this in the cab section.

That's def not the Beyma 12GA50 or the Celestion K12H-200TC. or any stock Eminence/Dayton.

Pertinent feature request.

Quote from digbob

Hi Ben

do you have links to that reviews?

im very interested in these, thanks

Here's a thread for starters...

This guy loves his.

Port City spoke favorably of them.

Quote from Tritium

Hi Ben,

Actually, Christoph utters the term "full-range" a few times during the following interview. He uses the term at time-stamp 01:09, and again at 02:34. Also, he uses the term "FRFR" at 02:36 (even though he says he doesn't like the term). He doubles down on the term "full-range" at 03:08.

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Futhermore, the term "Full-range" is used in the official Kemper Namm 2019 news release:

"Music that is fed into the PROFILER through the Aux Input will be played back in full-range mode, even when you play your amp with a Speaker Imprint, both at the same time."

Kemper Namm 2019 Post-mortem

Now, with all that said, it is certainly possible that Kemper is going to use a variant of the Celestion K12H-200TC....however, looking at the frequency-response of that speaker, IMHO it would be very misleading to describe it as "full-range". The K12H-200TC drops off the cliff above 10 Khz.

Cheers,

John

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Yeah, I stand corrected. I just saw the news release you linked... "The Kemper Kone is a 12“ full range speaker which is made by Celestion"

Yet, even in that video he says, "the purpose of that broadband speaker is to play back either full range sound. as well as classic guitar speaker sound."

Clear as mud.

Still betting on a variant of the Celestion K12H-200TC. It has quite good reviews for use with modelers.

Quote from pamplemousse

I can’t be over 400€

Whatever the r&d the added value is in the Kemper, not in the cab. This is a 170€ speaker and wood.

Some people will pay premium money just because they CAN. A ton of guitarists have 40, or 50, or 80 guitars... just because they can. Not everyone is a DIY type like you and I.

Also, we don't know how different this custom driver will be from the driver it is based upon, so availability is a question.

The Celestion K12H-200TC is only $80 USD, while the F12-X200 is $150 USD. At dealer cost, the latter is basically 2x the price.

Christoph has been VERY careful with his words in every video I've seen. Not once has he referred to the new speaker driver as "FRFR" or "coaxial" or "twin driver" or "full-range" or anything like that. But he does say "broadband" a lot, which is typically a term used to refer to a single driver.

If I were a betting man, I'd bet it's based on the Celestion K12H-200TC.

Tom Abraham has run FOH for a who's who of rock and metal legends for decades. He knows what he's talking about. So when he says that the Kemper is the best modeler/profiler sonically but that all of them are inferior to a tube amp in the mix, I'd listen to him.

And he's not just talking about frequency response and "EQ". There's also compression and transient response at various frequencies and how those things affect the ability of the guitar to cut through the mix even though they may "sound" identical.

He's not dumping on modelers, or profilers. He's just describing his experience, which he admits completely surprised him. He thought the guitars sounded IDENTICAL when isolated, but for some reason they disappeared in the mix.

Reminds me of that Tone-Talk interview with Tom Abraham (great interview BTW... you should listen to the entire thing if you can). Anyway, he gives his view on the AxeFX here:

He doesn't really talk specifically about the Kemper, but it's interesting none the less.

Quote from deadpan

Do you have a source for the confirmation of the partnership?

Watch those videos.