Into the void aka You moron, you traded away the Kemper

Quote from Dean_R

If you think that Kemper is that Bad, how come you sell profiles created by the Kemper?
Maybe you haven't heard of the term marketing yet

or maybe you're a brilliant marketer who's selling one profile with different Impulse responses charging a hundred dollars per pack of Impulse responses

I know you said in one of your posts that you can fool everybody by using impulse responses and that's why I never bought any of your profiles, You're marketing tricks didn't work for me

Now we're entering flame territory guys, and I got warn you that personal attacks are not called for and will just lead to more bitterness.

You said yourself, @Dean_R, that no one should believe marketing. Sin had a a valid point when he noted there was a change to the Kemper's Low end response in an update that came after the video where Sneap said he uses the Kemper and it was just like the amp. He said this in connection to marketing.

Maybe Sneap is lyin' like Slash was lyin'? I'm pretty sure the Kemper has not replaced his expensive studio amps and he doesn't use the Kemper for his clients like it's made out to be in the video.

It doesn't detract from the Kemper in my eyes, and not other users' eyes either. That's what I fail to understand. Why does the thought of people using other gear affect you so much to the point you have to disrespect any other method of recording guitar?

I've never said my choice is a good one, ffs. I just need to try something different, there's no harm being done.

No point attacking Sinmix's profiles either. I use them and they're good. There are other users who have said they use them too. If you didn't buy them because of a personal dislike for Sim, that's your choice.

Just don't drag this all into the mud with slurs. Sinmix has already made the community aware about his views that the Kemper has a "signature" in the tone. Nothing new there.

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I had the toaster about 4-5 months - loved it but got all squirrely when I saw I could sell it and try the Fractal AX8 because I.... I don't know. But that's what I did. 7 months later that AX8 is sold and I just picked up a Power Rack. I knew I'd be back.

And FWIW this 600 watt dude is super light. I thought for certain I'd been sent a non-powered version when I was opening it up.

A good choice! The Kemper is amazing! It trumps all the other digital devices out there to my ears!

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AJ, thank you for responding a couple o' pages back.

I still stand by what I said - the mic's sound different to me. I haven't tried a '58 with the grille removed 'though; for my way of thinking it'd be impractical to have to do this when one can purchase a '57 for peanuts.

Thanks again, man.

Makes sense to me, Nicky, I have never tried this out myself actually except once when I was recording some weird "tone engine" I put together. I will likely pick up a 57 and a Royer too, though I'm also contemplating one of those Steven Slate mic emulators... ah, never mind, another discussion for another day.

Quote from Finally

Reading through and noticed you said you use 1 tone per show, maybe 2.

I can't imagine why you'd need a Kemper for 1 sound. That's what tube amps are for. I think you've made the right choice on the amp.

Curious as to what genre enables that?!?

Well, if you have a studio, for example, you can kick serious ass with a Kemper. Just find the right profile for the right band and record.

Or perhaps you can't get access to a particular amp, like say a Dumble. Capture its soul and take it on the road.

A third possibility is that you're in multiple bands, like I am. It really is great to have thousands to choose from.

Quote from Dimi84

I think Kemper is more "immediate" than my amp sims through my set up because latency is lower. But my amp, unless far enough from cab, is also more "immediate" than kemper I would say. But I don't have a problem with either KPA or amp.
About the IRs: you can make an IR of a kemper cab and have it be super close. You can also do the same with real cabs. So I don't really think there's some "mojo" with kemper in that regard that you can't get elsewhere. It's just that due to the nature of how KPA works, the concept, the focus that I think you end up with some great cab simulations; I don't think Axe Fx, for example, did as good of a job overall with the sims that come with Axe.

You need to look around a bit more to get better sims for that.

But as said it's definitely possible to "copy" and turn a kemper "cab" into an "IR" and be super super close. Meaninglessly close. Or where are as you would make a profile, make an IR of the cab... (also possible to amp match/tone match -- name the specific marketing term -- the whole tone quite well). Plenty of possibilities, whether with real amp plus load box, modellers, ect, ect.

Then about "feel" -- that's such a personal matter. There are differences. I can be happy with Helix, Axe, S Gear, Kemper, you name it; in fact, S Gear, a vst, has a plexi that is bloody amazing in terms of feel. Feel free to download the trial and try it out if you are into Plexi tones.

My issue is often latency, but not considering that so much in the above para. Taking about "feel" in other ways. And you can definitely get very low latency with the right set up too. My current one is a very portable pc that I use for politics work and also music, and also watching NBA games in tablet mode... So not the best for this.

Ah, and I find Helix and Kemper to have worse latency than something like an Axe fx. Axe Fx feels more "immediate" than any of these devices imho. I have not conducted tests. I just go by "feel" in this case and can of course be mistaken. Maybe there's something else that has me think what I perceive is a difference in latency, but that can be meaningful in itself even if not "latency" per se, but other factors creating some impression of "immediacy".

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Ah and also @nightlight I found torpedo to be comparable to kemper in terms of latency (well, "immediacy"). Kemper probably had a slightly less "immediate" response to my perception, whether this is latency or not. . Again, no real tests, and I may well be wrong about latency itself.

These are some great insights, Dimi, can't wait to try this stuff out for myself.

For the record, I get along with lots of fear myself and I have heard stuff recorded with things like PODs that are real sweet.

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Good call on the '57 and Royer, matey.
Oh, and there's nothin' wrong with the Slate VMS either. As a bonus, you end up with a super-flat mic that could be useful for all manner of purposes.

Yes, based on the reviews by some users on this forum, I was really tempted, especially after learning that they could be used as a preamp for an instrument as well. They are available locally too, which is a bonus.

I also think I'm going to finally succumb to the sound advice of users on this forum and subscribe to Slate's Everything Bundle. I realised that a lot of guys using the Kemper are not just going in direct to their interface, they're using a preamp like they would if it was a real amplifier. The things you wish you knew years ago...

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Well, the Stale stuff's applied in the DAW non-destructively, just like any other plugins.

As long as you've got a clean, flat preamp for the mic (that's why it's included), and a half-decent interface, you're good-to-go.

I'm really interested in something like that because I think the analog stuff will be harder for me to make the best use of. Like you said, with a plugin, I am free to tweak after the fact. I remember Sinmix doing a partial mix for that song I had asked for mixing help with and I later figured out that running the profile into a preamp would allow me to warm it up and accentuate certain frequencies. That's amazing knowledge to have for someone who used to just record the Kemper into a channel and record. Makes sense, after all, that's what you do when recording a miced up guitar cab as well.

Quote from Dean_R

I didn't discredit anyone or any product, I'll say it again, All these products are tools and in the right hands (anyone who's willing to learn the tool) will get viable professional results.
In regards to Pete Thorn, I have a lot of respect for him. I've seen him demo, Helix, The AXE FX, Kemper, his personal IRs, and God knows what else, they all sounded realistic and viable.

I didn't say marketing is bad, just pointed out that some will get the wrong message, thinking they will sound like the artist who endorses the product which is not necessarily true.

For your current situation. even you yourself have the answer in the heading of this same thread and I quote from you "
You moron, you traded away the Kemper" because in your situation. KPA makes the most sense even though it's not the only solution. I realize that people will be people and want to be irrational and try for themselves just for the sake of experience itself .

Ah, I forget that when I say shoot someone or kill something on the forums, people take it waaaaayyy too literally.

I suppose your complaint about Sinmix could be extended to Pete Thorn, like I just saw someone post on TGP with a video of someone who did a bad recording of the Suhr RL and asking whether Pete was sweetening up his recording somehow. I've actually yet to see him demonstrate a product he isn't endorsing and saying it's crap - and he endorses a whole lot of gear - so there's a bit of a conflict of interest in his videos, I'd say. Like the Rockcrusher some of our users were saying was very bad:

Didn't you yourself say that attenuators impact tone negatively? But obviously, come on, who wants their products to sound bad, right?

So as far as Sinmix, more marketing. Take it with a pinch of salt, caveat emptor, whatever. All I know is that a lot of people are happy with his profiles and there are tonnes of choices out there. So your claim that he's misleading people is a bit, um, misleading. And you clearly indicated earlier that you don't buy his profiles, so I'm assuming you didn't try his profiles.

In that respect, you seem to be without much of a leg to be standing on your assertions. AFAIK, his profiles are not just talked about on this forum, but on other forums, and I think his IRs are used by more than a handful of people as well. I know for a fact that he's one of the most generous commercial profilers here, he has given so many profiles for free to the community.

He has clearly stated that he thinks that there's a signature to the Kemper high gain tones. I couldn't hear it, I assume you can't hear it. Many of his paying customers can't hear it. So who cares if the IRs or the amp sims sound like the Kemper. You seem to be more worried that everybody else is on the road that you're on, rather than being worried about, and I paraphrase "focusing on your music".

It's interesting that you say I'm irrational because no one else has been going at me hammer and tongs on this thread about my gear decisions. It's uncalled for and though I'd hate to say this on a Kemper forum screams "fanboi", altered spelling and all.

Believe me, I don't have a hidden agenda or something, I was just informing the good folks on the forum that I was going to try something new. Kind of like leaving your high paying job and going on to do social work... It's not irrational, it's the joy of life. I don't have to tread the beaten path just because it was there for me, I want to explore what else there is.

Quote from Dean_R

This is a discussion and people should be able to handle the tough questions. There's no slurs or mud , just valid real questions.
If SinMix doesn't believe the KPA is accurate, then he needs to explain why he sells profiles where buyers presume that the Profile maker took the time to make the Profile accurate to the AMP.

If he doesn't want to explain, then he's leaving me and every other kemper user to make our own conclusion.

My conclusion is that he's interested in showing that his Impulse responses to be comparable of the results you would get from the Kemper so he can sell more impulse responses to users of the many other modeling products including guitar recording products mentioned in this thread.

He just posted one more thread of comparison where he includes a track using the Kemper profile EQd to sound the same or vice versa of the other products. I asked him the tough questions about his questionable methods of capturing his impulse responses and his bias (not the software) against the Kemper and he didn't answer yet.

Peavey 6505 vs Line6 Helix vs Kemper vs TSE X50 [SinMix Comparison]

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Mad mixing skills as usual. He didn't say anywhere that he was not processing the audio. It clearly says "Mix comparison". Take that as you will, the fact remains that he got very similar results out of all those solutions.

Did you have a preference for any of those tones though? I definitely did.

Quote from Dimi84

He did get very similar results.
I explained in his thread why i think B is kemper.

I will eat my guitars if B is not kemper, live on youtube.

Lol, now that's something I'd pay to see haha