Posts by Awesome_Elvis

Quote from spazmatron

Crazy question but is cab emulation turned on and have you tried resetting to the default settings.

Do you mean , is the cab emulation turned on when I'm running profiles with my powered toaster through my 4x12 cab? If yes, then no I turn that off with monitor cab off button.

There have been times when I got a decent sound by turning it off and under the cab section ,turning themail character knob all the way down and putting the high and low shift at zero, then turning the actual module off.

what do you mean by default settings ( character and high low shift at zero)?

I see your point but if they added a blend parameter in the output settings with a check box then I could accomplish this without the use of another power amp and a mixer

Thanks for all the constructive info regarding the profile I made with egnater.

However, I must stress that this thread is not about this one profile.

No one is talking about the other 200 high gain profiles I have the same problem with.

And again I must stress that even though I used the XLR out of the egnater, it is NOT a DI profile.

Hope this helps to clarify.

Quote from Tritium

See the bolded part of quoted text. You cannot have cabinet emulation active on the DI, if you are going to make a DI profile. I don't know if this feature can be deactivated/disabled on your amp. The reason your DI profile sounds like a wet blanket, when played through a traditional guitar cabinet, is because you effectively have two (2) cabinet EQs occurring, in series. A traditional guitar speaker has a natural and characteristic high frequency roll-off above approx. 3-4 kHz. If your amp's DI output already has built-in Cabinet Emulation, then it is already simulating the natural frequency roll-off of a guitar speaker. This is so you can record direct, and/or send preamp signal to Mixer/Front-of-House.

So, again, what is happening is you have a DI profile which already has the EQ characteristics of a emulated guitar cabinet, and then you are putting it through another EQ filter when connecting it and playing it through a physical guitar cabinet. This is precisely why it sounds like mud, or the proverbial "wet blanket" syndrome.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
John

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I think we may have a communication error, I apologize for that. Please allow me to re-clarify as I feel that some of the common terminology might have been misrepresented on my part.

The profile I made with the cab emulated di from my egnater was made as a full profile into the Kemper with the cabinet section of the profiling process selected. Even though the amps di sends the full pre power amp section, it also sends the cab emulated signal with the XLR out on the back of the amp and there's no way to turn it off. It kinda has that PureCab sound if you listen to it with headphones, frfr, monitors etc. Anyways, if I turn off the cab sim while running that profile though one of those options, it will sound harsh and terrible as you would expect most profiles to sound (like a ds-1 straight to the board). Since the emulated out is cab simulated, my idea was that by making a full profile with the cab the Kemper would be able to separate them, which it does, mostly. I've made profiles before with the No Cabinet box selected even though I was running the signal though a cab simulator red box. I also use to do the double cab sim with a single cab simple signal mixed together and then failed trying to run that through a cab when i had a bunch of multi fx boards. So I know it's not a double cab eq problem, that much I can definitely tell.

With monitor cab off ,running this profile through the 4x12 I play the egnater through, it sounds really close minus the blanket part. This blanket is more like a thin wall of mid range, like a pillow case or a sheet of wax paper.

Any who, the main point of the thread was less about the egnater profile and more about how ALL of my high gain rigs, with the cab off and/or monitor off while running the powered toaster through a 4x12 have this tiny mid wall blanket sheet paper tone hoarder. The egnater profile part was just for back story on how I narrowed it down. I was a/b-ing different profiles against the egnaters tone through the same cab when I got the idea I should profile the egnater if I like it so much ( if you love it so much, why don't you marry[profile] it? ;). That's when i for sure noticed it.

But still, and in good faith, I'm gonna make another profile but with an actual mic and see what happens. Hope this help clarify and I'm sorry if this was confusing. Thanks for helping, I love this community! Please forgive for this lengthy repost lol

Quote from Ragnarok

• Has this always been the case when playing through a 4x12, or something that started recently? The reason I ask is because all of my "gainier" profiles sound similar through my 4x12 cabs. Some people seem to be able to dial them in, but so far I'm not one of them.

Has always been the case for the most part yeah, I didn't notice it at first ,although I've had the nagging suspicion for a while. I definitely felt it and heard when I made this new profile. I wonder if it's the kempers power section at all. It's hard to tell on crappy cabs and sometimes through greenbacks I don't notice it or its not there but most of my cabs have been v30's and when I crank it up it becomes very apparent after hearing a traditional amp and then the Kemper through the same cab directly after.

Another idea I've been having is to just get frfr speakers put in my can, leave cab Sim on and have it like a blank canvas. If I lose some highs due to lack of a high frequency driver I'll be OK with that. The foh mix is gonna get all that anyways.

Quote from spazmatron

It could be the DI in your amp. Try profiling with micing the cab and see if you notice a difference instead of using the built in di, The di could be coloring the tone

I'm definitely gonna try that, for one thing, I've never done a profile with a mic and cab.

But, the di is an emulated cab out and captures the power amplifier section as well. The Kemper should be able to separate the cab sim and captured power section as well.

Unless you're suggesting that even after the separation that it still colors the tone? Which could definitely be the case but that still wouldn't explain why all my other high gain rigs from factory rigs and right exchange have that same choked up mid range blanketed sound coming through the cab.

On a side note, the egnater profile sounds really good with an IR from a different rig through headphones.

Quote from cybermgk

Pick your fav outs from Kemper, run to mixer, mixer to power amp to cab. Adjust and blend output levels on 2 outputs.

the powered toaster is the power amp to cab

Does anyone know what I mean? There seems to be a sorta mid range blanket that comes through all my high gain rigs when I play through my splawn 4x12 with v30's with my power toaster.

I felt like my Egnater Vengeance breathes a little better, so I thought, I'll just profile that. I used the di out of the head itself to do the profile and when I use that rig through the cab there feels like a mid blanket over it. And not just that rig but every high gain rig has it. Am I crazy? Could I be going ... tone deaf?

It feels like they're choked up. It doesn't sound super bad or even blatantly noticeable, but it is on the high end of the subtle spectrum. Right on the brink of obvious. My speakers sound like they are whispering... kill me... lol

If it's a certain frequency that needs to be cut out or tightened up I'm not gonna cry over an eq block, I've been using them a lot more lately, anyway. Chairs!

Quote from cybermgk

I guess a multi fx of choice in the KPA's loop is out of the question?

No not at all! In fact a helix or an ax8 I think would pair perfectly and they're on the "to get soon, somehow" list.

But I'm really trying to do the simple Kemper and footswitch with expression pedals only route. For set up simplicity and ease of mind. I get all caught up in these profiles that i extra fine tune and then start crying 1st world problems ,over privileged-style about how my Lamborghini doesn't have enough effect slots.
Boo hoo me, life is so unfair... LOL

I know if I 4cm the Kemper with a helix or ax8, I'm gonna spend a lot of time programing and less time playing ( not the worst thing to have happen though... again lol ). When I still had my podhd 500 , i was running 4cm and I guess I got all caught up in input and output level woes and also setup time, which at the time, I had to setup and tear down every practice. The Kemper has changed a lot and also my understanding of it and tone in general. If I had another hd500 or 500x etc. I'm sure I'd get it right very quickly. Not to mention, I have the Remote now so I wouldn't have to fiddle with trying to do 4cm and midi (definitely don't miss that at all).

Quote from cybermgk

Couldn't you just run two different outs. One to one guitar cab, cab on, other to another cab (or other half of a cab) cab off, and adjust the separate output volumes?

You're right about that, and I use to run a 4x12 powered toaster cab off and a Roland jc 120 cab on power amp in from the 1/4 main outs, which is very similar ( minus the flat speakers in a jc 120 and plus it's own power amp).

This idea would be for running a powered toaster or rack, monitor out into a single cab input and having both sounds mixed or blended together coming through all the speakers equally or close to it. The old set up didn't have a double cab sim sound due to the flat jc120 speakers but with your idea, you could have the 2 sounds coming from 2 different speakers close together and that would inevitably blend together in the room. Which, is probably a more ideal set up anyway. However having the cab Sim off sound and the cab Sim on sound coming through , let's say, like a 1x12, together at the same time and space I think would be cool to have available.

It's kinda of a vanity feature and not super practical or probably wouldn't it even be considered useful in most cases. I don't really expect to see it happen but, thought I might through it out there.

Thank you for your idea, I'm definitely gonna give that a try! Sometimes I over think things and it's awesome to have such a great supporting community, especially when some of us get these crazy convoluted ideas and forget to stop and apply some rational thinking skills lol.

Quote from esotericmetal

Does it do anything special? Price is a bit steep for a simple trs footswitch.

It matches. Lol

Of course, for the price, we could probably buy a can of dark green spray paint and do a Professional Custom Paint Job on a regular pedal.

Quote from Michael_dk

Yeah. Most likely, it's just the sound guy being jaded after too many unruly/annoying/bad/untalented artists with their incessant demands
I think the best way to go about is:

- Prepare for the possibility of having to run through the vox (or consider simply playing the vox without kemper)
- Talk to the sound guys, saying "I respect your time and experience and I don't want to cause any undue work - but could we try just for two minutes running the kemper through a line input on your desk? If you're not satisfied, I'll go through your amp as requested, but I'd really like to try the kemper direct first.". Hopefully they'll react well to that. Feel free to throw in the keyboard analogy too.

I've always made friends with the grumpy sound guys, you may not always get what you want because they are "in a mood" but in the long run it makes for a better relationship.

Add to the output section a blend or mix knob for the Monitor Cab off.

Seems kinda weird but I just had an idea from another thread that reminded me of the time I got a really cool double Cab sim tone from my podhd 500. It was 2 amp Sims with 2 Cab mic Sims but, there was an effects loop after one of the cab mic sims where I put an H&K redbox in the loop. Then they were all mixed together and profiled!

If anyone is interested in that profile I could put it in a Dropbox or upload it to the Rig Exchange? ( it was my 2nd profile ever so I won't be offended if it's not to many people's like or practical use lol)

Anyways, the idea is that sometimes a profile with its cab sim left on running through an actual cab can be a cool thing, but then adding the cab sim off sound to that can sound really good blended in to balance it all out. Meh?\ /

Quote from Tritium

@Ale,

Further to my previous post, I just wanted to add the following clarification...

When connecting your KPA to a traditional guitar cabinet, it is a general rule that you should turn off the Cab Module (cabinet simulation). However, every once in awhile you may find that you will prefer to have a particular Cabinet profile/sim enabled, when playing through a particular guitar cabinet.

When I first purchased my KPA PowerRack, I hadn't yet received my XiTone passive 1x12 FRFR monitor. So, I initially connected it and tested it with the following cabinets I own:

A) Marshall Vintage Modern 4x12 cabinet
B) Vox 2x12 cabinet
C) Tech 21 PE-60 Power Engine

Now, in the case "A" and "B", I definitely had the KPA's Cab Off. However, with "C", the Tech 21 PE60, I found that I preferred having a KPA Cab profile enabled. Note -- As the PE60 is a powered speaker, I was connecting my powered KPA using the Monitor Output jack, with the built-in poweramp turned off. In any case, I found that the speaker in the PE60 (Celestion Seventy/80) sounded best with (believe it or not) a Cab Profile from TAF, based on a 1x15" Ampeg SVT 450 Bass Cabinet.

So, there are no hard and fast rules. At the end of the day, you will find out what works best with your unique set-up. Again, 99% of the time you probably will want to have your KPA's Cab Module off (when connecting to a traditional guitar cabinet). But every once in awhile, you may find a sweet combination of a KPA amp profile and your connected cabinet which benefits from having a particular Cab enabled.

Cheers,
John

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I most definitely agree! Especially when actual bass cabs with high gain profiles

Also,

This just gave me an idea for a feature request

Quote from MentaL

I only got one kemper

I wasn't sure, but I wanted to throw that out there anyway. If you ever do acquire a 2nd kpa and take that venture, feel free to use that if you wish. But if I get a 2nd one 1st I call dibs! Haha, cheers!!!

Quote from Michael_dk

Good way to get a sound guy to be pissed at you - good luck getting good sound at the venue!

Yeah good point. But... I wonder... would the sound guy be able to tell the difference between the actual ac15 and a profiled version with the same mic? That, would be an interesting test. Of course, there's lots of obvious variables that come into play to make that difficult to pull off. You'd be better off working as a team to run that test

Quote from Michael_dk

I would definitely go for option 2 But I don't know if there's any problems "profiling a profiler".

Maybe that could be a feature request. An option to profile itself. But then does the Algorithm become self aware and that's actually how SkyNet is born?

... the quest for perfect tone is what did us all in , in the end lol

Or,

Like that scene from Jurassic Park https://youtu.be/4PLvdmifDSk

I'm thinking of getting another Kemper so I can profile my other Kemper with all the stomps and extra eq baked into the profiles (and have another Kemper). Unless there's another way around it? ( I got an idea!)

I have profiles that sound amazing, but they use 2 dist stomps 2 eq's ( 1 before and after) and when that's all done there's not much room for all the fun effects. Add a comp and a noise gate or two and that just leaves delay and reverb. So, the only solution in this particular case is to get another profiler to profile my profiles. But...

Is there anyone on the forum that I could maybe throw a few of bucks that has 2 kempers that can, will, or already does this? @MentaL , I'm looking at you you could call it ReKemp Zone lol

OR this a not so great idea and I should just scale back my profiles by using external effects, less noise gates and find more, "perfect" sounding profiles?

leave the mic where it sits and pull the XLR from it and connect that to the back of the Kemper if they'll let you or maybe just do it anyway? I use to pull the XLR from di boxes on stage all the time. They would try to get me to plug in a 1/4 to the di box for fear of noise or ground loops but I would assure them I had a button for ground loops and that everything would be ok.

Quote from paults

If a non-Master volume amp is turned up all the way, and profiled, It also depends on the volume knob setting of the guitar.

But what does that translate to in the kempers gain knob?

The last time I heard a non-master volume amp get turnt, lol, it was way broken up.