Interestingly, I had this exact conversation with CK at NAMM. He was unaware of what Line6 had done, and was interested.....
That is interesting!
Delayed pitch shifted notes.
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I've forgotten how that feature was named in the Vetta, but it sure was very cool to have.
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I think it was called "double tracker".Here is details on this
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Interestingly, I had this exact conversation with CK at NAMM. He was unaware of what Line6 had done, and was interested.....So I will pester CK about this in Frankfurt!!
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Here is details on this
http://www.vettaville.com/doubletracker.htmExactly what I was looking for!! Thanks Vinny for that link. I knew it was somewhere on Vettaville or Institute of Noise...
Are you reading this, CK?
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That is interesting!
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Just my opinion.
I don't think it's possible to duplicate the real affect of playing and recording a track twice and panning it left and right...problem is, it takes a lot of rhythm playing guitar skill to pull it off.I've been watching my buddy doing it in his studio for years, every rhythm track he records he double tracks by playing it twice, panned 50% left and right....he's a great rhythm guitarist.
All his Soundclick tracks are double tracked.
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=5946924
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Yes, of course we're talking about approximations here and nothing beats real double tracking.
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Yeah, I don't think anyone expects a double-tracking simulation to fool anyone, but the hope is for the harmonizer to sound a little less perfect.
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Exactly what I was looking for!! Thanks Vinny for that link. I knew it was somewhere on Vettaville or Institute of Noise...
Are you reading this, CK?
Bloody hell I remember using this on my vetta. Its very handy in a power trio just like my band. I'd love to see something like this on the KPA
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MORE THAN 1 DELAY!! MORE INTERESTING DELAYS LIKE REVERSE, PITCH, SWELL, ETC. WE NEED MORE FX!!
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MORE THAN 1 DELAY!! MORE INTERESTING DELAYS LIKE REVERSE, PITCH, SWELL, ETC. WE NEED MORE FX!!
No need to shout all the time.
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I'm fortunate to have eased my GAS of these features by adding an a Eventide H9 and Strymon Timeline to the KPA loop.
From these devices something like the 'Ice' algorithm (TL) or the (simpler) Diatonic algo (H9) go very well with the KPA. However, I bet the Kemper team could come up with a unique spin on something like an arpegiator... All very 'icing on the cake' but we all like to scoff a bit of cake at times... I'm not sure whether these ideas stray too far from CK's original plans for the KPA though. If there is to be a delay stomp then that might open up adding it to the existing and rather splendid pitch effects.Cake for thought.
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I agree with Brattcave, the kemper team could easily add this to their pitch effects. And to the cake analogy, I agree the kemper is already very good, but who wants to eat a cake without the icing?? lol
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I can easily imagine to put a pitch shifter into a fully equipped delay, rather than putting a simple delay into a pitch shifter.
Some of you got emotional about this topic. This is good and brings us into the right direction. I am trying to find out what the real applications are.
Variant 1 is pretty academic IMHO. The only music I have heard was gear demos.
Variant 2 is cool, but leads to soundscapes rather than rhythms, that are better combined with a reverb.Garrincha, not every company took the old Eventide paradigm 1:1, especially Eventide did not.
Btw:I have listened carefully again to the owner of the lonely heard solo. There is no individual delay on the shifted fifth. That is clearly audible especially in the fast played lines. Instead there is a reverb-like delay network applied to the whole signal, causing a screaming combfilter effect and slap back and diffusion.
Display MoreWe have 65 posts on this thead now, but no consense that several different applications of a pitch shifter is needed here.
There is at least two different ways to combine a pitch shifter with a delay, when feedback is applied:
1. Pitch Shifter outside the delays feedback loop, creating simple pitch shifted delays.
Featured by Eventide Timeline and Digitech Timebender, but not Axe or old Eventides2. Pitch Shifter inside the delays feedback loop, causing pitch shifting with every repetition.
Does it make no difference to you?
I would vote for Variant 2. Even though it is cliche, for my use in creating ambient soundscapes, etc. it would be best. Right now what I do is have a long delay with the delay reverb mix set to be on the delay tails, that way when I swell in on the volume pedal there isn't a huge reverb created on the initial note, just the delayed notes. Having a very long reverb then gives a great ambient effect. Thanks for this feature by the way CK!
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adding an a Eventide H9 and Strymon Timeline to the KPA loop.
From these devices something like the 'Ice' algorithm (TL)
Hey Brattcave- I was considering this. .Do you use a foot controller? Just curious if it could then be wrangled with the FCB1010 (with Uno4K chip) for live use. I have a TL and an Eventide Time Factor now gathering dust... I kinda miss some of the more layered multi tap, subtle pitched delays and "ice" effects I got with them. The Kemper's on board delay is fine but the Strymon and Eventide seemed more 3D to me... maybe the KPA's need more user fine tuning?
Stuffing an effects box and power supply into my rack and wrangling the MIDI switching, tap tempo, etc sounds like a pain - makes my brain hurt!
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Hey ewrath2 - Nope, not currently using a foot controller - just a weekend studio warrior at the moment. The KPA's delays are fine but they don't currently have the more fancy filter options and pitch effects that the TL has. The H9 has obviously given me many more options to tinker with! I think that when / if the KPA gets some sort of pitch / delay love child it will be a different spin on what's on offer elsewhere - seems to be the way the Kemper designers like to ply their trade. I'm sure it will be very interesting if they ever decide to pursue this area... I hope they do
