Pitch shifter presets / recommendations

Hello

Hey do someone find these type settings Joe Satriani POG and harmonizer would be great to have those amazing settings that second settings guitar sounds like a keyboard

09:10-09:32 what settings that have?

02:23- 02:54 what settings that have?

And i find youtube one video cover that Super Colossal whit POG on settings he was use is these if someone can figured out those and share those?

With the POG you can add a sub octave, +1 octave, +1 octave detuned, +2 octaves and +2 octaves detuned

And settings what i use is Sub0-octave slide to 60%, the rest to 55%. LPF mode on 2.

Quote from paults

Aha! I recognize your user name from there, too - I think I had you figured out already from some of your gear history comments. I had followed the development of the Kemper there since before its first NAMM show, and ultimately sold my two GR-55 and some GK pickups to cover the cost of my lunchbox. I still participate in the Kemper thread - as does whippingpost That hole in the back of my Kemper might hold a small synth...so, maybe a Fishman Triple Play at some point.

AND - A few practical (as opposed to special effect) Pitch Shifter suggestions:

1) If you are currently playing any covers by bands that tune down, but using standard tuning to play them in the original key (as in physically playing a U2 song in Eb that was originally played on a guitar that was tuned down a half step):

Make a "one half step down" patch, and you will be able to use all the open strings and chord voicings that were originally used, instead of trying to use exotic fingerings to drone an open Eb under moving chords.

2) If you do casual gigs, sit in gigs, last minute favor gigs, and are asked to play a song you know in a key you don't know:

Use pitch shift to "auto-transpose" into their key - think of it as a virtual capo If you know it in G, with a lot of open chords, and they want to play it in Bb, use +2 half steps. If they want to play it in E, use -3 half steps.

3) as, in, where 1) meets 2) If you find yourself doing a last minute gig with a band that doesn't use standard tuning:

If they tune to Eb, make a -1 half step stomp, and LOCK IT ON for the entire gig. You can play everything just like you are used to doing, with no need to change the set up on your guitar.

4) maybe the most obvious: You know how hard it can be to keep a guitar in tune when you use the trem bar/vibrato arm/bigsby/wang bar/etc?

You can use a whammy pedal to do all of that, without going out of tune. A subtle flutter, scooping up to a clean chorusy chord, classic Surf music lines and chord wiggles. Generally speaking, setting it to 24 half steps (a two octave range) will give you the dive bomb range, as well as let you do the above subtle things with less pedal movement.

5) Whammy set up choices for direction of movement - some like a forward movement to drop the pitch. Some like normal pitch to be with the pedal parallel to the stage, and pull it back to drop the pitch. Try both - one or the other will likely feel more natural to you.

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Since you have such a good ear for this stuff, take a look at the Pedal Steel attempt that I posted earlier in this thread. Any ideas for making that even more authentic?

KItchen Sink rig idea :

it would do all this at once; baritone guitar with stereo pitch based tripling, a whammy that goes in two directions at the same time when the pedal is operated, and three part intelligent harmony. Reverb and delay are both still separately available , AND there is STILL one more open effects slot.

Too subtle?

Quote from paults

KItchen Sink rig idea :

it would do all this at once; baritone guitar with stereo pitch based tripling, a whammy that goes in two directions at the same time when the pedal is operated, and three part intelligent harmony. Reverb and delay are both still separately available , AND there is STILL one more open effects slot.

Too subtle?

Drinking already this evening?

Naaaaah- if that were the case, I would have built the rig, and posted a very sloppy sounding soundclip. LOL

Hey

Can someone explain what those step 0 1 2 3 and so on.... Do? I don`t know those what they do? And do someone know is there possible to have like a open bass E-string is normal whitout harmony ,and ADGBe is only harmonizer and that can be setup? I never figured out any harmonizer units that ,and should that be possible have like this -->

E normal
A harmony
D harmony
G harmony
B harmony
e harmony

Selective string harmonizer can be done IF you have a hex pickup on a guitar, and you have a processor that allows individual tuning per string.

Roland vg99, gr-55.

That new peavey autotune guitar.

Quote from Zappledan

I posted this in another thread. Probably should have been here. Pedal Steel type sound.
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/i…ad&postID=80242#post80242
Edit: this link didn't work for me when I tried it after posting, so will just copy/paste it :

Pedal Steel
I couldn't stand it, so I updated even with practice staring me in the face. First thing I tried was the Chromatic Pitch effect.

Try this out:
Voice 1 Pitch = 3
Voice 2 Pitch= -2
Detune = 0.00
Voice Mix = 0.0
Mix = 50%
Ducking = 0.0
Volume = 0.0

Play only single strings. Sounds best with a Tele or other bright guitar. I used it with my Clean JTM30 profile. Big grin on my face.

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Since you have such a good ear for this stuff, take a look at the Pedal Steel attempt that I posted earlier in this thread. Any ideas for making that even more authentic?

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Here are a couple of thoughts (I've been on the run all week, and haven't had enough hands on time to program the new Kemper smoother and cleaner replacements for the G-System harmonies I've been using yet - hopefully, tomorrow night, so I can use them at Saturday's show):

Your choice of physically playing the middle pitch is ideal - the smaller the amount of the two pitch shifts, the more natural the shifted pitches sound.

Here's a tweak suggestion that will likely sound closer, but you'll need at least one Rig per key.
Two voices of Harmonic Pitch would provide pedal steel moving chord change effects, with string bends.
It would sound even more dynamic if played with a slide.
A fair amount of compression (maybe amp compression, too?), and some quiet multiple repeat tap tempo delay will help to get closer to the sustain that pedal steels have.

[quote='Dimebucker1984',index.php?page=Thread&postID=80833#post80833]Hello

Hey do someone find these type settings Joe Satriani POG and harmonizer would be great to have those amazing settings that second settings guitar sounds like a keyboard

09:10-09:32 what settings that have?

I'm not certain that I have the intervals right but I get something close to this sound with the Chromatic Pitch effect in the X or Mod slot with these settings:
Voice 1 Pitch -5
Voice 2 Pitch 5
Detune 0.0
Voice Mix 1.7
Mix 40%
Ducking 0.0
Volume 0.0

I use it after a moderately distorted amp profile like a Plexi or JTM45 Marshall.

Brian

Quote from DonPetersen

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PITCH Wide Fuzz Oct
A fuzz sound at heart (Noble Fuzz), it features a sub octave in front of the Stack and the MicroPitch for width after it. Play some Black Keys!

PITCH Vab Shimmer
A very clean sound. The octave up and the hall reverb duck out of the way of your notes and bloom when you sustain a note or chord.

PITCH Mogue Mini
One octave down + two octaves up, an almost all wet signal with waveshaping and an envelope-driven low-pass filter - funky.

PITCH Modes in E
This one is interesting: All notes you play generate a 'E' in the bass. This effectively gives you a 'backing' against which you can make the modes come alive. E lydian, E phrygian dominant, E superlocrian - it matters not, anything 'E' works.

enjoy.

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Great , i especially like the "mogue mini", i really hope to have some more "synth sounding" presets !!!

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Hey

Can someone explain what those step 0 1 2 3 and so on.... Do? I don`t know those what they do? And do someone know is there possible to have like a open bass E-string is normal whitout harmony ,and ADGBe is only harmonizer and that can be setup? I never figured out any harmonizer units that ,and should that be possible have like this -->

E normal
A harmony
D harmony
G harmony
B harmony
e harmony

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Same question for me - can anyone explain ( in simple terms) what the step 0,1,2 etc is referenced to...I can see there is one step for each note in an octave here?? Beyond that I'm a bit lost

Quote from paults

Here are a couple of thoughts (I've been on the run all week, and haven't had enough hands on time to program the new Kemper smoother and cleaner replacements for the G-System harmonies I've been using yet - hopefully, tomorrow night, so I can use them at Saturday's show):

Your choice of physically playing the middle pitch is ideal - the smaller the amount of the two pitch shifts, the more natural the shifted pitches sound.

Here's a tweak suggestion that will likely sound closer, but you'll need at least one Rig per key.
Two voices of Harmonic Pitch would provide pedal steel moving chord change effects, with string bends.
It would sound even more dynamic if played with a slide.
A fair amount of compression (maybe amp compression, too?), and some quiet multiple repeat tap tempo delay will help to get closer to the sustain that pedal steels have.

Thanks, I'll give these ideas a try. As for Harmonic Pitch, I had already tried that and found the Chromatic to sound better for this. Maybe I approached it wrong? Anyway, if you get something working that you like, I'd love to get a copy of it.

It's been a busy week-

I'm looking forward to revisiting these pitch threads with my Kemper, and trying to put all my blah,blah, blah into action.

I'll definitely post the things that work well. I may even try that "Kitchen Sink" patch. LOL

I use the pitch shifter to emulate a bass sound. Just 100% in -12 .... It is really great to jam with a looper and to have now a bass sound right away .... Thanks Mr Kemper

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Hey
Can someone explain what those step 0 1 2 3 and so on.... Do? I don`t know those what they do?

let's say you selected 'C' as your key.
now the User Scale steps correspond to the notes like this:

Step 0 = C
Step 1 = C#
Step 2 = D
Step 3 = D#
Step 4 = E
etc.

the steps that form the major scale are: 0 (root), 2 (major second), 4 (major third), 5 (perfect fourth), 7 (perfect fifth) , 9 (major sixth), 11 (major seventh)
now let's say you want to harmonize the major scale with thirds alternating above and below.
step 0 = +4 (C + E)
step 2 = -3 (D + B)
step 4 = +3 (E + G)
step 5 = -3 (F + D)
step 7 = +4 (G + B)
step 9 = -4 (A + F)
step 11 = +3 (B + D)

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And do someone know is there possible to have like a open bass E-string is normal whitout harmony ,and ADGBe is only harmonizer and that can be setup? I never figured out any harmonizer units that ,and should that be possible have like this -->

E normal
A harmony
D harmony
G harmony
B harmony
e harmony

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this is not possible, since the pitch shifter can't detect if you're playing a B on the E-string, seventh fret, or on the A-string 2nd fret, for exsample.

Quote from Geraldo7

[*]The pitch shifter. There are many threads about it already and Don has explained the most
interesting musical considerations here . I still do not understand whether
there is an intelligent pitch shift available or necessary. If for instance you
choose four steps aka the major third playing in C-major and play a E’3, what
you will get is an E+4, is it not? And an E plus four semitones makes a G#,
does it not. And nobody likes a G# in a C-major scale. Am i wrong or am i wrong
or am i wrong? Anyway, it will work, i am sure, and sooner or later somebody
will explain it to me.

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alrighty then,
for 'intelligent' pitch shifting, simply choose the Harmonic Pitch effect, select your key, the two intervals, use voice to get the mix between them right and bingo.
this works for major and minor keys as well as modes of the major scale. after all, major is just another name for ionian and (natural) minor is aeolian.

if you want your harmonies to be correct in dorian, select the relative major key. In this case it is a major second below the dorian key.
exsample: For A dorian select G major.

if you want your harmonies to be correct in lydian, select the relative major key a perfect fourth below, or a perfect fifth above (same thing). So for E lydian select B major (which is the german H-Dur)

again, this sounds way more complicated than it really is.

the user scales serve two purposes:
harmonize scales like melodic, harmonic minor, symmetrical scales etc. correctly,
or
use them to make the pitch shift amounts/intervals non-parallel. (they are basically a carte blanche for creative pitch shifting)

as an exsample let's take a look at the major scale harmonized with intervalls in this order:
octave above, perf. fifth above, perf. fourth above, major third above, perf. fourth below, perf. fifth below, octave below

the steps of the major scale are 0, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11

to get the harmonizing scheme mentioned above, set it like this:

Step 0 = +12
Step 2 = +7
Step 4 = +5
Step 5 = +4
Step 7 = -5
Step 9 = -7
Step 11 = -12

I've tried the +12 setting for a twelve string sound but it sounds more organ like than guitar. Is there something else to adjust?

Quote from bshaw92

I've tried the +12 setting for a twelve string sound but it sounds more organ like than guitar. Is there something else to adjust?

I would try different EQ and mix settings.

Quote from Zappledan

I would try different EQ and mix settings.

If it sounds like an organ, my guess is the +12 voices are too loud, compared to the natural guitar.

This could especially be the case if you used two pitches at +12. It will likely need to be less than 50% to sound natural, because the high strings on a 12 string are thinner, and that makes them quieter (and if you have two of them at this point, they will need to be even lower.)

Try adjusting the mix to 0%, then bring up the volume of the two Pitch voices slowly, until you can hear the effect at a natural sounding level

If it sounds detached from the guitar, it is likely still too loud.

If it does not sound animated enough, try a little detune.

If it sounds too animated with even the slightest amount of detune, try adjusting the balance between the two +12 voices. With detune activated, one of them is slightly sharp, and the other is slightly flat. Adjusting that balance affects the depth of modulation between the two pitches. You may find you prefer the sound of just flat, or just sharp, or somewhere in between.