I think the support for other MIDI devices will not be complex - they only have to support two state of the switches - 0 and 1 on selected CC messages thats all.
I don't think they even have to go that far.
I'm suggesting they simply remove the block they placed on the existing functionality via SysEx.
Peto can cut and paste faster than me 
I don't think it was ever stated as such - I haven't seen it anyway.
From the Remote Page (bold theirs): "There are dedicated buttons to access the tuner, tap tempo in and enable the new, exclusive Looper Effect."
What I have seen is that they decided to implement the looper functionality in the looper rather than midi in order not hinder the ease of use.
Well, it's always been in the Kemper, but up until the latest public FW3, the looper was fully accessible via MIDI. I'm betting the Remote works entirely via MIDI but won't know for sure until somebody wiresharks it.
I don't think Kemper has a stated policy that all future features will be free updates either. I haven't seen it anyway. All the firmware UPDATES have been free thus far.
From the Kemper Profiler web page where they have whole section called FREE FEATURE UPDATE (again, bold theirs): "Wouldn’t it be great to beam a couple of different new tubes into your amp back from the 50s? Or magically let a couple of new stomps surface in your gig bag? In software you already can do that and we make extended use of it. Free feature additions by software updates for the Profiler is a tradition at Kemper. We pride ourselves to use what’s common in the computer world for a musical instrument as well, to your advantage. This way, your purchase becomes even more valuable over time."
Again, I support Kempers right to release what they want to release, when they want to release it. But read those quotes above a few times in light of this thread.
Which fw version are you on?
2.7.4
have a button set-up where on = record and off = play, another on = stop and second function = erase, one for undo and one each for half and reverse using step commands to cycle them on and off where there step name is displayed on the Liquid foot screen, I may change these 2 back to on and off values rather then steps. With the Liquid foot you can set the little screens to be different colors based on their state ie on, off or bypassed.
Sounds like you have it set up and working exactly like the Remote.
I am not sure if I am entitled to report bug about looper... (I don't have Remote) but:
During the use of the looper through MIDI I found out, that after I lay down eg. 3 overdubs, the peak output led starts to clip and clipping is also audible.I don't know if the same is happening with remote, but I suppose that it is. Shouldn't there be some kind of volume control in relation to overdubs?
Peto, I'm seeing the same thing. I wonder if it's the same in FW3?
The problem *I* am seeing is that the looper is looping within the current RIG context, so the volume of the current rig will also control the looper volume. But here's how to reproduce the problem:
Can someone with the new Remote, verify the same behavior?
Ben
I just spent my afternoon toying around with the looper on my LF 12+ and it works pretty good, without having tried the KPR I am not sure what differences in control there are but it was fun anyway. The reverse and half speed are pretty cool to noodle off in psychedelic land lol....now the internal debate.... miss out on the new profiling and eventually be left behind or keep playing with the looper and never let the psychedelic free ride in the land of twats and trolls end haha just kidding
Are you using the undo/redo functionality to do Play?
I also understand that someone would like Kemper to unlock midi control for looper in 3.0 and I actually agree here. But that also raises other questions, like support of this feature with other controllers etc.
I don't mind if they offered zero support for the looper functionality over MIDI. My request is that they remove the feature block they implemented in 3.0
Actually, the DELTALITE® II 2510 is also 250w, is only 4.6 lbs, and that means your cabinet is smaller/lighter too.
I bet that driver in a Thielle design cabinet would sound amazing with the Kemper. The resonant frequency is VERY close to an EVM 12L.
Ya know... with FW v3 just release and a lot of preamp only profiles, using a Kemper out through a power amp (like the 4 lb, 200w, Quilter Tone Block 200) and a 1x12 becomes a much more attractive alternative.
Something like an Eminence DELTALITE® II 2512 is 250 watts and only 5.1 pounds and is pretty well regarded. That gives you 15 pounds for the cabinet. The Bogner Cube clone cabs I built are about 19lbs, but they are 3/4" birch plywood and very well reinforced.
TRM Guitar Cabs makes TL806 cabs right around 20lbs. I bet he can make a custom one that is lighter.
That gets you very close.
Thanks for the tremendous interest in the Looper
I suppose this will be my last request on the matter.
If you don't feel like the MIDI implementation meets your standards to officially support it, will you at least consider removing the block you placed on it's functionality in FW 3.0?
Thank you for your consideration and for listening.
The point I'm trying to make is Kemper just lost hundreds of potential customers of the Remote because someone "Community Hacked and reverse engineered" their product!
Uhm... you just described precisely what the Kemper Profiler does to every other amp on the planet. 
Many midi pedals do not support easy key off controllers and many users have a hard time to dig into this topic creating a significant support overhead.
Moreover, how is this different from using SysEx for sending/receiving parameter information? The behavior of the Profiler with regard to parameter retrieval using SysEx responses is far more complicated than simply documenting the NRPN needed to control the looper. Yet, you have documented those and various 3rd party controllers have sprung up to support the Kemper as a viable performance tool.
I suppose the difference is that in the pre-Remote days, Kemper actually needed 3rd party controller support...
First, thank you for your response!
Nearly all MIDI-based controllers I know of support events for both press (key-on) and release (key-off) -- for example, to support the way the first button on the Remote works... press and hold to record, release to start looping.
How is this different from MIDI controllers handling press/release events to enable scrolling through Rigs?
These actions are indeed supported already.
The main drawback to that would be having to stomp on a different button for boost each time. I sing, and hitting the exact same button each time is a plus.
Most MIDI controllers can do a toggle on successive presses. IOW, on first press, send a one set of CC, and another set on the next press.
But this would require a non-Kemper MIDI controller, which means you'd loose the looper functionality of the Remote. Can't have both ATM.
I've only seen a couple very cursory NAMM videos, but none were "demos"
NOT Easter Egg, was designed to be used with the Remote
The fact that public MIDI NRPN assignments were programmed and released into production, highly suggests that it was NOT originally designed to be Remote-only accessible.
In the case of looping, where you are trying to synch with a cycle, I guess the limits of precision are with the player but there is an argument that the tools shouldn't be making it any sloppier.
I can agree with that 100%.
That said, it seems to be working quite well over MIDI regardless of what you and I about latency.
For the benefit of those searching the forums, this request has reached a peak here.
Companies don't run on goodwill! They run on people buying their products.
Anymore free riders want to chime in?
Ezergeezer, I really do get what you're trying to say. You could however, say it without calling people names every time you post.
Almost every person in this thread has said that in the end, they are okay with Kemper running the company as they see fit. Indeed, one of the reasons we're here is the way Kemper has had a history of running the company: namely, with continuous updates and features improvements. Just look at this section of the Profiler Page:
About the Remote:
QuoteTraditional MIDI based foot controllers are also supported and pretty much every parameter can be controlled.
Should this section now be updated to exclude any features related to the looper?
About Free Updates (Kemper added the bold font, not me):
QuoteFree feature additions by software updates for the Profiler is a tradition at Kemper. We pride ourselves to use what’s common in the computer world for a musical instrument as well, to your advantage. This way, your purchase becomes even more valuable over time.
Who's asking for a "free ride" now?
So while the looper features were never "officially documented", there were obviously implemented and released into their production product line. Those features exist.
At this point, it seems to run 180 degrees counter to Kempers self-professed ethos of "free feature additions by software updates" to actively remove them from the Profiler with no other upside than protecting the sales of another product.
