A Little bummed out.

i know what you are saying about the headphone output. and i agree .

A comparison between the Headphone Out and the CLR and/or a speaker cabinet is imho not fair, because headphones are stereo and sitting next to your ears. Headphones and the CLR also are covering a totally different frequency range compared to a speaker cabinet.

You can get decent sounds with headphones, with the CLR and with a speaker cabinet, but the approaches are different. You should keep that in mind.

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For the "blues" thing I use a "real" tube amp. The gig doesn't require a lot of tones.

Maybe increasing the Cab Volume (on the Cabinet parameter page) slightly might help the tone a little?

If it was me, I'd just take a combo amp if the gig didn't require a lot of different tones and/or effects.

You should really spend some time tweaking a special rig for this purpose, start by choosing the one that sounds the best.

but first, Be sure to EQ your output (Master button) until you're satisfied with results, it can be very different settings with the CLR or the Bogner

Bogner cab option :
lock your CAB off on the KPA and browse the rigs once you found one that sounds natural on your bogner cab then tweak : definition , clarity and so on until you're satisfied. I had similar problems with a solid state combo but I eventually managed to find one rig that definitely sounds like a vintage tube amp. I'm ready for gigging with this single rig, maybe get 2 & 3 variations of the same rig with Rhythm/Crunch/lead rigs.

Other option is to tweak the KPA for the CLR , lots of users here reported some fantastic results , maybe some can suggest the best rigs for this option.

It sounds like the cabs, not the KPA are keeping you from the best tones. Maybe a small tube amp is better for this gig if this means less gear to have to bring. Can you just output direct to FOH and not have to use the extra cab?

I've learned to never try out profiles or do any tweaking with headphones. Always try to tweak with your cab your going to use live and at volume if possible. Also check out the cab I use. It's a Mission Gemini, it has more mid range punch and less harsh highs than a lot of FRFR setups, more like a traditional cab but still giving the frequency response all the way up to 20k. Either way, getting your sound from headphones and then using 2 different cabs must have your ears running in a billion directions. Simplify what you're working with and I think you'll be much happier with the results. Good luck!

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You should really spend some time tweaking a special rig for this purpose, start by choosing the one that sounds the best.<span style="line-height:1.28">.

This. Do it at gig levels to avoid the Fletcher-Munson trap (i.e. dialing in too much bass and treble) and do it with the CLR because the CLR will exactly show how the profiles you use actually sound.

Learn to tweak the amp menu parameters first and if it doesn't get you where you want make use of EQ.

Ingolf and waraba are spot on. I've been gigging for allmost 2 yrs with a CLR and like anything else took a little time to find the right tonal balance to cover all bases. The amp and cab settings are your friend try them

Further to all the excellent replies and advice already provided, I would offer the following...which is more of a change of mind-set and perspective than anything else. In fact, it may sound trivial, but could make a profound influence on how you approach your KPA in relation to playing through either a FRFR or guitar cab.

Instead of trying to get your KPA live set-up to sound like whatever tone you are hearing when listening through headphones, focus on getting your KPA live set-up to sound like, equivalent to, or at the same satisfaction level, as when you are playing live through your Redplate amp. You got to flip this sucker around.

This may take some time and tweaking with your KPA plus CLR combination, and/or KPA plus Bogner 1x12 combination. You probably shouldn't expect to have it ready for tomorrow's gig, even if you had started working on this earlier today. As has already been mentioned, if your goal / intention is to use your KPA live, then never audition profiles and program a rig, intended for this purpose, through headphones. Any favorite rigs that you have created that you enjoy through your headphones, you should rename on your KPA by adding some character or text to indicate it has been specifically tailored and approved (by you) for headphone playing.

This will differentiate the headphone-based rigs from all your other rigs, and especially the rigs you create to work successfully (I have no doubt) for live playing. As has already been mentioned, when you are developing favorite Rigs for use in live playing scenarios, you should do this at near or equivalent volume levels you will be using at gig.

Even in that case, you might want to save new rigs with names that identify them as working best with your either your FRFR-based CLR, or your traditional Bogner 1x12 guitar cab. In which case, you will probably have Cabinets enabled on your CLR-specific profiles, and disabled on your Bogner cab-specific profiles.

Good luck, sugarlou. I am confident you will be able to construct tones on your KPA that you will be proud to use live, and even impress your tube-purist gig buddy.

All the above, plus keep us posted when you dial in the KPA and your buddy gives you and you

Took me weeks to dial it in, took me months to get the sounds I use now dialed in.

Why don't you dial in the Redplate, and then profile it?

Cheers,
Sam

Well you cant really compare the real redplate amp, with the Kemper + CLR. - your hearing the source amp versus the recorded source amp, tonally they will sound very different

If however you miced the amp the same way as the profile.. then listend to both, the test would be more accurate.. better still, mic the amp yourself then profile it the way you like it.

Redplate amps are amazing btw. - and they can be troubslsome to replicate as redplate are forever changing (inconsistencies).

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i know what you are saying about the headphone output. and i agree .

i know what you are saying about the CLR not moving air. and i disagree .

Note: increasing the cab's volume doesn't affect the tone more than increasing the profile's volume. The amplification you get in both cases is perfectly linear.

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I think Ill start saving a bunch of different EQ settings with the same rig so I can quickly scroll through them to make the differences more obvious and quick to compare.

I'm more of a plug n play type. Tube amps with simple EQ have always been my preference. If I can't quickly dial up a tone that lets me play without "listening" to the sound of the amp I get distracted listening to the sound and not making music. I'll keep at it . If anyone has settings/rig recommendation for the CLR / KPA/ Fender Strat feel free to share!

I've had mine for 2 years and just now getting to know it more.
Although I'll occasionally try out some free profiles in the Rig Exchange (mainly if there are clips available), I'll stick to the paid profiles. I've never been disappointed with them, they're insanely cheap compared to buying the real amp, and I'm not going to waste time auditioning a million free profiles to find a good one. The MBritt profiles are what I use 95% of the time.

In regards to tone tweaking, I have started to put the EQ Cut The Mix preset in my X slot and another one in the D Stomp slot called something like Cut The Mud E-A Strings (not the exact name, but close) on the majority of my presets and leaving them on. It really helps.

I have found that different guitars require different Performances and tones....especially between my Strats, Les Paul, and Telecaster. I'll copy a Performance and then tweak the EQ and/or dirt for the different guitars.

Make sure you create a backup when you do extensive editing and rig creation.