Huge jumps in volume between rigs

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I need to adjust the rig volume of each profile

Correct - the Factory Rigs are volume balanced, And, yes, you will have to use Rig Volume to to save rigs created by others at a consisent volume.

OUTPUT LEVELLING ...........

I still don't understand why we have to do this ourselves. Patches with the Rig Volume knob turned up, sure, but the magic invisible volume setting inside the amp and cab profiles is, frankly. stupid.

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I still don't understand why we have to do this ourselves. Patches with the Rig Volume knob turned up, sure, but the magic invisible volume setting inside the amp and cab profiles is, frankly. stupid.

Those volume parameters are not the issue. If everyone would volume level their rigs to similar Factory rigs before uploading them to the Rig Exchange (or offering them for sale), this issue would not exist. But, not everyone does that.

I'm talking about rigs with all the volume settings at 0, but they're still WAY louder because there's an internal volume parameter that you can't adjust.

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I'm talking about rigs with all the volume settings at 0, but they're still WAY louder because there's an internal volume parameter that you can't adjust.

Can you give an example of a free rig like that? (I'm asking about a free rig, so no one has to buy it to look at it)

"CRY EXCESS GTR SOUND Peavey 6505", on RE, is the best example I've found. If other rigs are only occasionally going yellow on the output LED, this one (with everything zeroed and the cab turned on) will happily go orange if not red.

It just occurred to me that, as I'm playing through 5" monitors, some cab profiles could have ridiculous amounts of energy in the low bass that I wouldn't be able to hear but would still cause things to clip.

I can confirm that some profiles seem insanely loud compared to others without any obvious reason (EQ settings, one of the volumes set too high).
Perhaps there is a limitation to what the automatic levelling during profiling can achieve.

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I can confirm that some profiles seem insanely loud compared to others without any obvious reason (EQ settings, one of the volumes set too high).
Perhaps there is a limitation to what the automatic levelling during profiling can achieve.

Or, the rig was edited by the creator before offering it to other people.

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Or, the rig was edited by the creator before offering it to other people.

OK, but what edits would that be?
The rigs that I have experienced as way louder than the rest didn't have any special EQ or volume settings, like I said above.

Wild guesses:
Compressor stomp? Amp compressor?

Pardon this question: is your Input Locked? If not, you may be experiencing someone else's settings.

And, if it is, is Clean Sense or Distortion Sense turned up? are the loud rigs considered "clean" or "dirty" by the KPA?

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Wild guesses:
Compressor stomp? Amp compressor?

Nah.

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Pardon this question: is your Input Locked? If not, you may be experiencing someone else's settings.

Locked

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And, if it is, is Clean Sense or Distortion Sense turned up? are the loud rigs considered "clean" or "dirty" by the KPA?

Clean Sens just like I always need it (i.e. levelled between clean and distorted), Distortion Sens untouched = default.

Maybe sending one of these loud rigs to support would be a good idea.

BUT - wait until 4.0 is released before you send it. We don't want to provide any unnecessary distractions

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OK, but what edits would that be?
The rigs that I have experienced as way louder than the rest didn't have any special EQ or volume settings, like I said above.

I think there is a point during the profiling process where you can actually manipulate something that results in a louder profile. Probably shouldn't be done, but some do (I seem to remember Michael Wagner talking about this?)

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Maybe sending one of these loud rigs to support would be a good idea.

BUT - wait until 4.0 is released before you send it. We don't want to provide any unnecessary distractions

Yeah!

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"CRY EXCESS GTR SOUND Peavey 6505", on RE, is the best example I've found. If other rigs are only occasionally going yellow on the output LED, this one (with everything zeroed and the cab turned on) will happily go orange if not red.

I tried the rig.
As I expected, lowering the rig volume... lowered its volume. No clipping on the output. I could even zero its volume, by... zeroing the ... Volume.

Am I missing something? :o

Sounds like you aimed right, Gianfranco. Must've been off the sauce that day, eh? LOL

Just try not to poke the screen too hard if you miss that volume knob. You could even replace it with a bigger knob to make aiming easier on the weekends...

Before you touched the volume knob, was the rig's volume not significantly louder than other rigs?

I'm not saying the volume knob is broken, I'm saying that, with all stomps off, and all settings at neutral, this profile is noticeably louder than most others. Loud enough that I've had to scramble to turn it down a couple of times when playing late at night.