So I bought an Axe Fx Ax8 and I have been profiling my preset as I make them...

Sounds pretty awesome to me!

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Understood.

I can tell you first hand by comparing the Axe preset to the Kemper profile that they feel the same if done right.... Profiling is an art for sure.

Thank you, deadpan. I appreciate that, mate.

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Sorry Monkey Man but I call BS on this.Dean_R and you are spouting off and a simple
way to confirm this is to take deadpan up on his offer (that he volunteered). deadpan offered to make it clear which was which but I suspect that if he did a blind test here very few could tell the difference between a Axe direct, the matched KPA profile and the original clip - both in sound or the feel that you are so busy working on ATM.

Er... I was clearly speculating about feel in playing, SwAn1. Obviously I'd expect the difference in feel to be less than is the case when profiling the POD, simply because the Axe is, if you'll excuse the term, "more realer".

IMHO you've falsely attributed both intent and content to me, and to that I'm going to respectfully take my turn to call BS, albeit lightheartedly with tongue in check and certainly no malice.

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Besides just because you are that busy to be able to post but not listen to a comparison it doesn't mean all of us are!

Once again, my post/s were not about sound comparisons, but specifically, with the caveat that my speculation was based upon the L6 experience, a prediction that the feel when playing profiles of the Axe would differ from that of the Axe itself. I wasn't predicting a big difference, but a difference nevertheless.

Now, given what deadpan politely told me in his response, it appears that the difference is negligible and for all intents and purposes insignificant. He did state that matching the sound may take a bit of work, and I agree that profiling does seem to be an art form, but he was clear about the feel.

Here's what this tells me, assuming deadpan's judgement to be sound: The Axe must be a whole lot "realer" than the POD HD in its playing feel (and sound, no doubt, but that's besides this point) 'cause the Kemper, which is designed to capture the feel of real amps (again, besides the sound), doesn't appear to alter said feel much where it's (the Axe) concerned.

Hope that made sense mate, and sorry for the verbosity employed.

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Edit: Monkey Man I'm putting my hopes on you!

And I you, brother!

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... My issue is that unbridled fanboy statements actually do more harm to the product than help it...

Mine were qualified and I also openly admitted my fanboi status, jokingly of course; I just love my Kemper. I can't see how this would have done the Kemper cause any harm. Quite the contrary in fact.

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When someone who admits that his opposition to a product is apparently based on watching YouTube clips and then with authority states that the differences between the two products are "day and night" vs your experience with the actual product or statements on a competitors site by a well know and respected jazz musician who sold his KPA for a competing product, it makes the fanboy stuff look foolish.

I didn't think Dean (who's played both, I think) or I claimed they were night and day based on clips.

In fact, I've never said they were night and day 'cause I've not played an Axe, and by your (and my) logic it'd be grossly irresponsible to make such a claim based upon PooToob clips alone. I'm 100% sure you'll agree.

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... Some however seem to take every opportunity to bash everything that is not KPA and anyone else's experience with competing products and probably because of your open and honest posts here it just bugged me tonight that people would be so willfully close minded.

It'd bug me too, but honestly I didn't think this was happening. Perhaps I missed a post as I've been away for a couple o' days. I agree that if this were the case, nothing could be gained from it except perhaps a laugh.

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Should I have said everything I said? No, and for that I offer A more sincere apology than my last one but I don't regret the conversation (such as it was).

I neither!

Faith restored. I've said this before on this forum, but I love apologising and seeing others do so. The former speeds up my personal growth, and the latter gives me hope and inspiration as I simply love to see people learn, improve themselves and become happier.

Thanks for at least, as you implied, having the guts to call folks out on their BS, SwAn1; I obviously feel your good intentions were a little misplaced when it came to yours truly, but I admire the sentiment for sure!

Cheers mate.

PS: Thank you deadpan for posting those clips!

Hey deadpan, there was always one amp in the axe's amp list i was most curious about - a thordendal one. Does the ax8 have all axe 2 models and if so whats that one sound like?

... as what?

Go on, say it mate, saaaay iiiiit!!!! LOL

@ Monkey_Man Thanks for the follow up. Water under the bridge but only the first comment was in relation to what you had said and I am happy to stand corrected.

@ deadpan Love the examples! I have not tried to profile my Axe - would you mind sharing some of what you are learning about profiling it?

No i cant really tell other than the bass response.

OK so I finally had some little time, reached out to one of one of the guitars that had the freshest set of strings ( a strat) and made a quick clip (noodling) using one of my favorite Kemper profiles to briefly hopefully show why from my personal experience the Kemper was a night and day difference better than any other modeler. Initially the difference might seem very little even when using Eleven, POD, AXE FX or any other modeler, but I quickly realized there was a huge difference in playablilty and realism.
Call it fan boy or whatever but my honest experience was that I couldn't get the same dynamic or sound from the AXE FX II, so putting money aside, the KPA simply worked better for me. I'm sure others could have the opposite experience but that doesn't prove anything. All I'm saying is that in my personal experience, the Kemper was simply way better by a long shot than any modeler. It's an opinion, clearly, and not stated as a fact, but I have my good reasons!

In the profile below, I can get relatively very decent clean, terrific edge of break (The AXE was really bad in the edge of breakup) and then extreme high gain all in one profile just by using the volume pot and pick attack (soft for clean and harder to break up).

Please feel free to download the DI track and Re-amp using the AXE FX amp model, preferably the XTC model so we might be able to compare apples to apples. You might show me that it was my limitation that didn't allow me to get similar results from the AXE. If you get a close sound, I would appreciate the AXE FX patch, as I'm visiting a friend who has AX8 and I can play using this patch and see if it feels the same and who knows I could possibly have a change of heart and next time I'm in the market for a modeler I would consider the AXE.

Thanks for taking the time to do this!!

Realler cleanup. Can't be a bad thing.

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The Axe is supposedly going to have improve cleanup with firmware 2.01 that is coming out in a few weeks.

Oh Axe getting more realz? Nice!