Saving a Profile in a DAW session for recall

save it on rig manager for each songs

remember that a profiler is not a sampler with presets

and its WAY faster than remember 12 amp settings and pedals... on each song

btw we all work fdifferently for instance I use only two tracks of guitar by song
the rest is keyboard bass drum singer, back vocals and brass

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I can relate, Guava.

I'm a "synth guy" who's relied on sysex dumps since the late '80s for all outboard MIDI including FX.

GForce's suggestion is employed by some here. Not sure what I'll do when I come to recording again, but my guess is I'll use RM (that's gonna be lots of folders if one uses several Profiles per project, isn't it?), along with a folder I'll create inside the DAW-project folder. It will simply live in the Finder in said folder, but at least it'll be there for when Rigs need to be re-used by dragging them to RM and double-clicking for instant edit-buffer appearance in the KPA.

I feel your pain, brother.

You should have heard the fuss I kicked up when Roland ditched sysex on the TD-30 brain in favour of... you guessed it... a friggin' USB stick. I called them directly and gave them a piece of my mind quite a few times, pressuring them to pass it on to the coders. Nothing happened, and to this day it's the only piece of MIDI gear post-'86 I've ever owned that didn't support sysex.

They almost did the same thing with the INTEGRA-7, but thankfully one can at least dump the current multiset for quick setup later on. IOW, you can dump the 16 patches you've chosen for your project, but not individually, and they all go into the multiset's edit buffer.

Anyway, I can only hope, as you do, that Kemper sees fit to enable Rig dumping via sysex; it'd solve a problem that IMHO we shouldn't have in the first place.

I'd rather have a VST plugin remote controlling the Kemper though

The "problem" with a plugin solution is that the plugin would have to be kept up-to-date with both Windows' and the Mac OS's plugin-protocol changes (VST4, updates to the AU spec, etc.). If you're still using your Kemper in 15 years' time or even longer, would you be confident that projects' Rigs you call up from the past will be able to be recalled? More-obviously, will the plugin specific to this Kemper "model" still run?

What Gauva and I are asking for is a basic, permanent, future-proofed (sysex has been around for 30+ years and isn't going anywhere) solution. I hope I speak for him when I say that all we and hopefully others should "ever" need is the ability to send from the Kemper and receive to its edit buffer a single Rig or Performance. This is how and why we can still use outboard synths and FX from the '80s onwards in our modern DAW's with no fears about full-recall ability. It should be the same for the Kemper, IMHO.

I wouldn't be surprised if any editor created by Kemper used sysex for communication, so if the spec wasn't implemented back in 2011 it might have to be added for the purpose of comprehensive two-way communication with the software, should it ever appear; CC's can only take you so far. Does RM use it?

At any rate, even if a deep implementation of sysex isn't current or never will be, I'd expect that the single Rig-or-Performance dump / receive function would be able to be added with great ease.

+1 !

It can be (slightly) bothersome (remembering) to copy + paste a profile name to the track notes in DAW - and if you forget... 4gedd abowt iyt !

15 years? :). Let's not over exaggerate. I don't vote against a sysex solution at all. I'm just more keen on the usability of a control plugin.

PlugIns...

Well the way we works differs with everyone. Personally I record Kemper than after that for mixing purpose I use PLUG INS (all the Waves and so on) to mix the Kemper sound (eq maximise etc) And I save the plug ins

I really dont need to use plug ins to ''control the Kemper''
I practice a lot but when I press record it means that I want it this way. I will use the plug ins after to fine tune the sound add a little touch.

But I put more energy on drums and vocals than on guitar I must admit... we all work different ways

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15 years? :). Let's not over exaggerate.

Why wouldn't someone be using his Kemper in 15 years' time, MM?

My shitty master keyboard, refurbed 5 times, is 30 years old and the only keyboard I have. All of my hardware synths are 10 -> 25 years old. Peeps have microphones that're 70 years old, amps that are... you get the idea. Interestingly, my DAW can still load projects from 1984. Digital Performer is not only the oldest audio app I know of on the Mac (or anywhere?), but the only one I'm aware of that can boast full support for projects dating back 34 years.

If you're referring to projects' revival, I have 250 incomplete ones that're 25-and-more years old. If I'd used a Kemper on them, I'd hugely appreciate being able to spit out a blip of sysex before reamping any given track in order to take advantage of modern AD conversion or rework the part in some way.

I don't think what I said in post #9 was an exaggeration at all, let alone an "over exaggeration".

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I'm just more keen on the usability of a control plugin.

The problem with a Rig-storage or even a control plugin, which was my first specific reference (even 'though the time measure applies to the sysex-implementation concept as a whole), ask yourself, "How many plugins (apart from Waves, where WUP revenue apparently helps ensure unending support for all plugins) that I bought 15 years or more ago still run flawlessly, if at all?" The Kemper's designed to last a Helluva-lot longer than that.

I`ve found a little workaaround, but only works in ableton...
Robrecht from this Forum has built this cool m4l-device Max4Live Kemper controller to automate rig changes in Ableton Live and with ClyphX I can snap the state of this device. So I have 5 Profiles within a Performance, that I can change the Gain, FX states, Morph and Volume, and recall them at any time.
To recall another Performances is limited since it does not find the other settings when changing the performance...
Another downside is, it´s not 2-way communication, when I change anything on Profiler (or Toast Me), that does not get reflected and I have to redial the setting in the M4L device...
But I would also really like a little vst that only saves and recalls kipr files (should be possible, since it´s the main thing Rig Manager does... It´s a bummer I´m not that technically skilled.)

The other downside is that if you need to recall the Rigs (Performance) at some point in the future, unless you haven't moved or overwritten the Performance with another one, it'll call up the wrong Rigs.

The VST would be cool-for-now, but as I outlined earlier, a sysex solution would be permanent and work in any DAW that supports MIDI, which is practically all of them for the foreseeable future, and also in librarian-type apps such as the free-and-excellent Sysex Librarian for the Mac.

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Why wouldn't someone be using his Kemper in 15 years' time, MM?
My shitty master keyboard, refurbed 5 times, is 30 years old and the only keyboard I have. All of my hardware synths are 10 -> 25 years old. Peeps have microphones that're 70 years old, amps that are... you get the idea. Interestingly, my DAW can still load projects from 1984. Digital Performer is not only the oldest audio app I know of on the Mac (or anywhere?), but the only one I'm aware of that can boast full support for projects dating back 34 years.

If you're referring to projects' revival, I have 250 incomplete ones that're 25-and-more years old. If I'd used a Kemper on them, I'd hugely appreciate being able to spit out a blip of sysex before reamping any given track in order to take advantage of modern AD conversion or rework the part in some way.

I don't think what I said in post #9 was an exaggeration at all, let alone an "over exaggeration".

The problem with a Rig-storage or even a control plugin, which was my first specific reference (even 'though the time measure applies to the sysex-implementation concept as a whole), ask yourself, "How many plugins (apart from Waves, where WUP revenue apparently helps ensure unending support for all plugins) that I bought 15 years or more ago still run flawlessly, if at all?" The Kemper's designed to last a Helluva-lot longer than that.

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Sorry - I wasn't implying not using the Kemper for many years. I just don't see the need to call up a 15 year old session and expect it to load without any issues. That is an exaggeration in my book - but it's just IMHO. Sys ex it is it seems :). I still wish for a VST plugin instead though - something similar to http://wesaudio.com/_hyperion/

Why would the plugin need to be kept up to date? Are VST2s or VST3s going to magically stop working?

If they documented the format that the data was transferred in, then anyone could write a parser in whatever plugin format they wanted. Or, you know, just have the VST get/parse/etc a SysEx dump itself.