Liquid Profiling - Amp List ?

Can’t remember which Marshalls and not close to my KPA to check but I do know the JVM410 isn’t one of them.

Great question OP... can anyone answer this: I want to use a Blues Junior as a liquid profile ... but in the Amplifier screen (after updating to 10.0 w Liquid Profiles), in the Amp Model choices screen, there is no Blues Junior.. there are some Fenders, Marshalls and Vox choices, but there are only about 15 choices. Where did these 15 choices come from? Did Kemper pre-liquify those and include them for us? I'm struggling to figure out how to get a Blues Junior (or a Bassman, Peavy Classic etc) to show up in Amp Models choice screen.

Anyone know how to get other amps to show up in that Amp Models choices list when using liquid profile? Thanks for any insight!

It seems that you HAVE to use one of the amps given by Kemper.

Maybe in some future updates, there will be more amps included?

Until that, you have to choose that amp, that is closest to your profiled amp.

Hmm.. thanks JohnnyBee. That seems weird. I am wondering if we have to wait until someone provides a good Liquid Profile of the amp we want, within Rig Exchange. Perhaps that's how it will work.

Can someone from Kemper comment please? Thanks!

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Hmm.. thanks JohnnyBee. That seems weird. I am wondering if we have to wait until someone provides a good Liquid Profile of the amp we want, within Rig Exchange. Perhaps that's how it will work.

Can someone from Kemper comment please? Thanks!

No. The Amps that are used for the tonestack are modelled by Kemper and coded into the unit. It doesn’t matter who profiles what amp in future the amp list for tone stacks can only be increased by Kemper adding them. Kemper have said several times including in the manual that Liquid Profiling is the merger of profiling and modelling.

First of all, I hate the "Liquid" label that Kemper chose to go with. It seems to cause a confusion of the process.

When the 1st video of Mr. Kemper first came out he said they used the amp schematics to model the tone stacks.

That means for every amp that will/can be available, someone will have to input the schematic components into a computer to build that virtual model. The software used is what Engineers use to design electronics components. This allows the Kemper generic tone stack to be replaced by the tone stack designed to react like the real amp tone stack rather than by the Kemper generic tone stack (which is not anywhere near the correct range values for any amp).

I'm replacing all the pots in a Fender Blues Deville 410 and all the pots have different values. Those pots in a different amp would not produce the same results in a different amp. The end result is dependent on the entire circuit i.e. pots, caps, resistors, wire gage and every single component in the circuit.

"Liquid" profiles are profiled amps combined with modeled circuits. Don't confuse modeled with profiled.

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No. The Amps that are used for the tonestack are modelled by Kemper and coded into the unit. It doesn’t matter who profiles what amp in future the amp list for tone stacks can only be increased by Kemper adding them. Kemper have said several times including in the manual that Liquid Profiling is the merger of profiling and modelling.

I was typing and you beat me too it.

To second wheresthedug Kemper has essentially modeled those tone stacks for you and included them in the beta. Beyond those there is no way to create or model more tone stacks than the ones offered. Best bet is to pick one that is close to what you’re after.

In a nutshell: the liquid models are replacing the generic Kemper tone stack that has been present on the unit since day 1. The advantage is to give users a more realistic response when using those bass, mid, treb, presence, gain controls that you would find on the physical, profiled amplifier. So in essence putting a Bassman Tone stack on a profile of say, a Deville 410 would yield a bassman like response from a 410 profile. So until they add more tonestacks you could actually make some pretty cool profiles that sound like Frankenstein amps, or crosses of different amps, by mixing the modeled stacks with different profiles.

Thanks all. I'm getting it now.

IS anyone else having trouble with the new Liquid Profiles not remembering the MORPH settings? I keep setting the morphed values (I raise the gain to act as a lead channel) and I test it, and the rig morphs back and forth properly... and I save the rig. Then after I go to some other rigs and come back, the morph settings are forgotten.

Anyone else?

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Thanks all. I'm getting it now.

IS anyone else having trouble with the new Liquid Profiles not remembering the MORPH settings? I keep setting the morphed values (I raise the gain to act as a lead channel) and I test it, and the rig morphs back and forth properly... and I save the rig. Then after I go to some other rigs and come back, the morph settings are forgotten.

Anyone else?

I haven’t checked personally but i have seen various mentions in the forum and it appears that support are already aware of it and working on it.

I believe this is a bug.

I'm using Kemper Stage with OS Version 10.000.0.46731B and Morph is definitely not saving with Liquid Profiles. It saves with Amp Model: Kemper Generic - but not if I choose any of the LP profiles. I'm morphing the Generic Gain.

I've tested this backwards and forwards. I've tried Burning it, and saving it, and everything possible. As soon as I leave the Rig, and go to another Rig, the Morph is lost. It works as long as I'm still on the Rig I set the Gain Morph on. But when I leave the rig, it loses that Morph data.

Let me know if you need any more information.

Huh. I’ve made a couple of patches with Liquid stacks and haven’t had this issue. Is it not remembering morph settings on the tone stack EQ? Or any morph settings in general?

I'm just morphing the Gain. The generic gain. The tone morph is saving and working.. it's the Generic Gain that won't "stick" or save.

I'd guess they still have to work out how best to handle the gains. This is only a first beta for LP.

Gain and Generic Gain are tied together so changing one changes the other (even though different values). At the moment it allows you to set Morphs on both, even in impossible ways like setting one lower and one higher at the same time.

They'll probably decide to eliminate Morph on one of the two to avoid this kind of conflict. For me at the moment, I just set a Morph on Generic Gain and saved the Rig to Local Library. Comes back fine if I reload it. WhenI tried saving with morphs on both gains both were ignored, and really should be ignored since that would be impossible.

Thanks cmbrowns... so you're saying that when you leave Gain Pot Ref. at 0, on a LP profile (you have something other than Kemper Generic selected as your Amp Model), your regular Gain will retain the morph settings, even after you go out of that Rig and then come back to it?

For me that NEVER happens. Most of my Gain Pot Ref.s are at 0, yet the Morphed Gain control is lost after I exit from that Rig. The regular non-morphed Gain setting is retained as it should be. But not the morphed (higher in my case) gain setting.

You're prob right that they may be working on that area.

If you're seeing Gain Pot Ref, sounds like you're looking at the Kemper itself. Maybe that's part of the issue.

I'm just using Rig Manager and setting the morph on Generic Gain, which then morphs Gain along with it. And yes, it saved with no problem.

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At the moment it allows you to set Morphs on both, even in impossible ways like setting one lower and one higher at the same time.

They'll probably decide to eliminate Morph on one of the two to avoid this kind of conflict.

Yep, Burkhard said so in post #13 above