I own boss GT10, pod HD and just got Kemper a few days ago. I never had any amps or cabinets as I always play in bedroom where volume levels are quite restricted, therefore I chose amp modeling path, anyhow after I played around with Kemper and was struggling to get the sound that I love I came to realize that most of the profiles are done with sm57 being the industry standard that is not a surprise, but it struck me that I always tend to avoid this mic to my ears it sounds overly high pitched with quite a bit of fizz which I always fight with, I really enjoyed the sound quality of Neumann TLM 67, sennheiser 421 dynamic, Sennheiser MD 409 etc.
Any tips on taming sm57 miced profiles, I'm new to Kemper and amount of options seems to be quite overwhelming.
Don't like the sound of SM57 Microphone
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You can try to combine your favourite rigs with some of my free cabs. Most of them were done with an additional condenser mic.
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First of all welcome to the forum! And as till already said you should try different cabs. Usually you´ll be able to get a much warmer and less boxy (especially in the mids) sound. However if that doesn´t help you might could also try dialing back the presence and treble a tiny bit or just EQ out some of the high frequencies you don´t like!
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You can try to combine your favourite rigs with some of my free cabs. Most of them were done with an additional condenser mic.
Thanks, I will definately check them out! I read somewhere on the forum that cabs have the colour of the amp it is profiled with, in your experience how big is the imprint?
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First of all welcome to the forum! And as till already said you should try different cabs. Usually you´ll be able to get a much warmer and less boxy (especially in the mids) sound. However if that doesn´t help you might could also try dialing back the presence and treble a tiny bit or just EQ out some of the high frequencies you don´t like!
Thanks, proud to be a member of ever growing community of glorious Kemperia.
Presence and trebles don't really cut it , i guess i will have to find suitable cabs first , don't want to resort to EQ's unless necessary -
Hi Vich...
As youre a newcomer and Just in case you didn't realise, 'TYLERB' is Till ...His cabinets are GREAT !
also , check out his website https://www.tillschleicher.com
If you want to PM me I can send you on some of the Cabs I've gotten from free profiles over the last couple of years
Rob
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Welcome!
Well both is true. The amp has an influence on the cab and vice versa.
Just use what sounds good.
Concerning the SM 57: they're a kind of industry recording standard for a reason.
On their own they may sound a bit too focused, but in a mix an SM 57 helps to a great extent that a guitar finds its firm place in the mix.
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Remember that historically the SM57, aside of being setup by a pro engineer, is also going through some amazing pre-amps and consoles!
So going through none-such to the Kemper, yeah, it's missing something to my ears too. Which is why I ADD another mic, not take the 57 out entirely. Plus I use a nice tube preamp.
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I used to feel the same way (back in my Axe Fx days). Didn't care for the high end/high mids with the SM57 when I was playing solo (practicing, etc.). But, I realized that IRs/profiles done with a SM57 just fit in the mix perfectly when recording. Eventually, my ears adjusted and I accepted it. Now, most of the profiles I use have a SM57 involved though I do sometimes back off the treble and/or presence when playing solo.
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This is a tough one. Again as already stated numerous times, the SM57 is the industry standard, and for a very good reason. I am very much in the boat/of the opinion that, if you can't get the sound right with one 57, YOU are doing it wrong. Any pro engineer will probably tell you the countless hours they have spent trying to capture an amp in just the right away, micing an amp for hours: There really is no substitute for this. Also, alot of engineers will tell you that if it doesn't sound right, MOVE THE MIC! I also believe most people don't mic an amp properly when using 2 or more mics: Sure it can be done, but you REALLY gotta know what you are doing to do it right I think. If a guy puts up a profile and said he used 4 mics, there is a good chance that A: I will hate it, and B: It will sound completely wrong. You have to think about what your approach is with the Kemper. Some of the more popular commercial profile guys have stated that they do not like the sound of a micd guitar amp, and don't really strive to capture that sound....I will completely stay away from his profiles after hearing this because I am VERY interested in capturing the sound of a recorded amp to throw in a mix, NOT the "room" sound. What the hell good does the "room" sound do for anyone in any situation anyway other than your moms basement? Another topic for a different time, but I digress...
Yes there are many more expensive mics that offer different sounds, but the midrange and push of the sm57 in a mix is hard to beat, for good reason
While I definitely don't think you should go with the adage "well this guy said its good, so it must be" almost 99 percent of the time, but this is one of the those times, that it really is true, as proven on thousands upon thousands of records/songs. Furthermore, you are also right: Just because someone micd an amp with a 57, does NOT mean it's going to be good by ANY means either as well. Also on that point, you will start to learn what cabs you like and definitely don't like. -
Too much fizz from a 57 means you're probably facing it into the middle of the speaker cone. Try the edge and a bit of distance back.
Nothing wrong with a 57, it's just got to be positioned well.
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Welcome!
Well both is true. The amp has an influence on the cab and vice versa.
Just use what sounds good.
Concerning the SM 57: they're a kind of industry recording standard for a reason.
On their own they may sound a bit too focused, but in a mix an SM 57 helps to a great extent that a guitar finds its firm place in the mix.
You may want to take this into consideration before you completely dislike/disregard them.Not that I completely disregard it, generally it doesn't sound pleasant to my ears, however like someone here suggested it might be better to try to EQ profile while using backing with drums and bass to know how this or that profile going to sound in the mix.
This is a tough one. Again as already stated numerous times, the SM57 is the industry standard, and for a very good reason. I am very much in the boat/of the opinion that, if you can't get the sound right with one 57, YOU are doing it wrong. Any pro engineer will probably tell you the countless hours they have spent trying to capture an amp in just the right away, micing an amp for hours: There really is no substitute for this. Also, alot of engineers will tell you that if it doesn't sound right, MOVE THE MIC! I also believe most people don't mic an amp properly when using 2 or more mics: Sure it can be done, but you REALLY gotta know what you are doing to do it right I think. If a guy puts up a profile and said he used 4 mics, there is a good chance that A: I will hate it, and B: It will sound completely wrong. You have to think about what your approach is with the Kemper. Some of the more popular commercial profile guys have stated that they do not like the sound of a micd guitar amp, and don't really strive to capture that sound....I will completely stay away from his profiles after hearing this because I am VERY interested in capturing the sound of a recorded amp to throw in a mix, NOT the "room" sound. What the hell good does the "room" sound do for anyone in any situation anyway other than your moms basement? Another topic for a different time, but I digress...Yes there are many more expensive mics that offer different sounds, but the midrange and push of the sm57 in a mix is hard to beat, for good reason While I definitely don't think you should go with the adage "well this guy said its good, so it must be" almost 99 percent of the time, but this is one of the those times, that it really is true, as proven on thousands upon thousands of records/songs. Furthermore, you are also right: Just because someone micd an amp with a 57, does NOT mean it's going to be good by ANY means either as well. Also on that point, you will start to learn what cabs you like and definitely don't like.
I agree with you here, the profiles that I went through did not have much of the variety in terms of Mic's positioning but at the same time it might be the sound of the cab, as with kemper we have pretty much unlimited options it is quite hard to find a pattern of what you like by toying around with it for few days, I guess time will tell
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I used to feel the same way (back in my Axe Fx days). Didn't care for the high end/high mids with the SM57 when I was playing solo (practicing, etc.). But, I realized that IRs/profiles done with a SM57 just fit in the mix perfectly when recording. Eventually, my ears adjusted and I accepted it. Now, most of the profiles I use have a SM57 involved though I do sometimes back off the treble and/or presence when playing solo.
That is the thing, I mostly practice or playing solo, when it comes to recording I would have to EQ the profile or find the new one that will sit in the mix perfectly. But just to the naked ear it is not the distorted sound (trebly, fizzy) I love .
As I mentioned before I used POD and GT 8, GT 10 which is in completely different league , Kemper is the real deal so now when I look at the Profiling tags I have to pay close attention to what amp/cab/mic I like as it will most likely sound very similar in real life how knows maybe that is going to be my next purchase
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This is a tough one. Again as already stated numerous times, the SM57 is the industry standard, and for a very good reason. I am very much in the boat/of the opinion that, if you can't get the sound right with one 57, YOU are doing it wrong. Any pro engineer will probably tell you the countless hours they have spent trying to capture an amp in just the right away, micing an amp for hours: There really is no substitute for this. Also, alot of engineers will tell you that if it doesn't sound right, MOVE THE MIC! I also believe most people don't mic an amp properly when using 2 or more mics: Sure it can be done, but you REALLY gotta know what you are doing to do it right I think. If a guy puts up a profile and said he used 4 mics, there is a good chance that A: I will hate it, and B: It will sound completely wrong. You have to think about what your approach is with the Kemper. Some of the more popular commercial profile guys have stated that they do not like the sound of a micd guitar amp, and don't really strive to capture that sound....I will completely stay away from his profiles after hearing this because I am VERY interested in capturing the sound of a recorded amp to throw in a mix, NOT the "room" sound. What the hell good does the "room" sound do for anyone in any situation anyway other than your moms basement? Another topic for a different time, but I digress...
Yes there are many more expensive mics that offer different sounds, but the midrange and push of the sm57 in a mix is hard to beat, for good reason
While I definitely don't think you should go with the adage "well this guy said its good, so it must be" almost 99 percent of the time, but this is one of the those times, that it really is true, as proven on thousands upon thousands of records/songs. Furthermore, you are also right: Just because someone micd an amp with a 57, does NOT mean it's going to be good by ANY means either as well. Also on that point, you will start to learn what cabs you like and definitely don't like.Actually I hate to disagree here, but reading articles about Michael Wagener (huge Guitar rock albums producer, skid row, dokken , stryper, mot crue)
He doesnt seem to use the 57 hardly at all , prefers to mix r-121 mic with a condenser mic , and he owns and has endorsed the kemper profilier !I agree that what works is what works , but it is ok to stray from the shure 57 and use other mics, and it does sound great when done right , , when I listen to stryper guitar tone , im blown away and there isnt much shure 57 in there.
Just ok to open to other possibilities besisded the shure sm 57
heres a video from Michael wagener on how he uses the kemper
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Whatever works for YOU.
Not everybody likes chilli just as not everybody is vegetarian or vegan.
We all have different taste, wouldn't it be boring if it were otherwise?Michael uses many different microphones. One classic long time combination (not just for him) is R-121 plus an M7 capsule (he uses an M70/71) but other mics with an M7 will work in a similar manner.
The 57 is an industry standard for guitar cabs as much as a '67 is (pity the four grand difference in price...
The "classic" list goes on, MD409, M160,SM7 but in the end it is what sounds right or works for YOU that matters ...... -
Whatever works for YOU.
Not everybody likes chilli just as not everybody is vegetarian or vegan.
We all have different taste, wouldn't it be boring if it were otherwise?Michael uses many different microphones. One classic long time combination (not just for him) is R-121 plus an M7 capsule (he uses an M70/71) but other mics with an M7 will work in a similar manner.
The 57 is an industry standard for guitar cabs as much as a '67 is (pity the four grand difference in price...
The "classic" list goes on, MD409, M160,SM7 but in the end it is what sounds right or works for YOU that matters ......
Absolutely agree whatever works , and its ok if he doesnt like the sound of a 57 to try other mics ! -
Absolutely agree whatever works , and its ok if he doesnt like the sound of a 57 to try other mics !
absolutely.
although: most of Lasse Lammert's profiles were made with a sm57, which proves that the positioning of the mic is at least as important as the mic itself. -
absolutely.
although: most of Lasse Lammert's profiles were made with a sm57, which proves that the positioning of the mic is at least as important as the mic itself.
Yeah it´s pretty insane if you´ve ever recorded with a sm57 and worked on your mic position for hours and the result is below anything that comes even close to the LL rigs. Really impressive! -
Its all a matter of taste - I hate the sound of a single sm57 for most amps as well.
For some heavy tones does it work very nice - while I still combine it with other mics.
The funny thing:
One of my most wanted profile (from a 57 Deluxe) was done with a sm57 - and sounded great.So - use whatever works for the job.
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there's also the whole old school American made SM-57's vs. the current Chinese made ones. I haven't had the opportunity to A/B one vs. the other, but those in the know claim there's quite a difference.
personally, I love the 57 but definitely prefer when it's blended with something a bit warmer vs. using it all by itself.
