CK, Thanks for the response. I have gigs, so will wait for the fix to update
Just upgraded in 2.40. first try
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If you don't use the Cab parameters, I don't think you would hear a difference. I didn't have any issues with my Friday gig - I used 20 or so rigs that I hear all the time.
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Ive downgraded back to 2.3.3 . Only going to install final releases from now on. Let someone else live on the bleeding edge.
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I assume there's a reason why you're downgrading, something buggy in 2.4.0? I've not upgraded yet, curious to know.
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The reason Im downgrading to 2.3.3 is a bug that CK refers to in an earlier post in this thread.
Display MoreOur support has received comparison clips - from the OP, I guess.
And yes, there is a noticable sound difference, that guided us to a flaw in the latest firmware.
The bass responce of several profiles is too loud. I was able to find the cause and fix it.
Thanks for this hint. We will release a new firmware soon.A good moment to talk about sound changes in firmwares again.
There has probably been no firmware without hints from users that the sound has changed. The descriptions of the perceived effects are very colorful.
We even had a thread with 800+ posts about sound changes in the firmware.The facts: This is a digital device. On analog devices you can get subtile sound changes by wearing of components. This cannot happen in a digital device. We have no motivation to change or "improve" the sound. If an error happen, it is obvious like the actual one. It can be proven by comparison clips.
To those that state that the sound has changed over and over: Every sound change needs work from us to change the software in a subtile way. Why should we spend our precious time and change the sound in purpose?
Be more critical about your own perception and check twice, if you have doubts. If I gave you the same firmware again but told you the second had a different sound, how many of you would notice that the sound has NOT changed? -
If I gave you the same firmware again but told you the second had a different sound, how many of you would notice that the sound has NOT changed?
I would since from the infinite discussion on how the sound has changed I decided not to trust my brain/psyche but my hears. so, upgrading from 2.0.1. to 2.3.3 (my actual) I decided to record clips with both firmwares, and the same clip played with the same guitar, same sequence of technique.
I later put the clips together and the sound was totally, incredibly identical.
now everytime I cannot resist the temptation to state that the sound has changed compared to before all I have to do is listen to the recording I did of the two firmware and the brain hassle is gone.
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I would since from the infinite discussion on how the sound has changed I decided not to trust my brain/psyche but my hears. so, upgrading from 2.0.1. to 2.3.3 (my actual) I decided to record clips with both firmwares, and the same clip played with the same guitar, same sequence of technique.
I later put the clips together and the sound was totally, incredibly identical.
now everytime I cannot resist the temptation to state that the sound has changed compared to before all I have to do is listen to the recording I did of the two firmware and the brain hassle is gone.
Great! I will do the same from now on, I build my Reamping Template Session and I will record only once different guitars in direct in and do the comparison even without playing again the various riff That' s, I believe, one of the same procedure done by the Kemper team to check every new release... -
agree........and to complete my comparison procedure I did say to myself, while listening to the result, that the sound was different, trying to convince me of that: "check it out better, the sound is definitely more of this and less of that".
at the end, no question could stand the absolute fact that the clips were identical.
after all it doesn't take much time. all it takes is the preferred profiles, some 2-3 of them and recording your playing. I did with a couple of crunch sound and a couple of high gains.
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I think it's not a general problem with 2.4 firmware. sometimes
also my old vht profile do unfortunately still problems with v 2.4.my monitoring system: rme raydat, rme wc exp. , rme adi 8 pro, ultrasone 900pro, tannoy precission 8d
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So I recorded a clip with 2.4 and down graded to 2.3 to see what the difference is. There is definitely more low frequencies in 2.4 and I actually like it.
CK, can you let us know what frequencies were boosted so when the fix comes I can adjust back manually?
Thanks.
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could you please post the clips if that isn't much work for you?
of course, recording doesn't get rid of differences if any. I mean: it serves the psychology not the physical problem.
good to know though that the team has the issue in their hands
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No problem. I already had them recorded.
https://soundcloud.com/user501751099/2-3-vs-2-4
Compressing the audio for soundcloud made it tougher to hear but it is still there. Now, to check my sanity I had my wife listed to the clips and asked if she could hear a difference and she said the same without prompting.
The first part is 2.4, second is 2.3.
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hi Deadpan again........I tell you the truth: they sound virtually identical except for the fact that I found 2.3 to have more bass freqs than the 2.4.
it is incredible but I found the opposite of what you mentioned.
anyways, it is true that there this slightly difference among the two.
now.....you could be right to blame the compression. what file did you upload, an mp3 or a wave?
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hi Deadpan again........I tell you the truth: they sound virtually identical except for the fact that I found 2.3 to have more bass freqs than the 2.4.
it is incredible but I found the opposite of what you mentioned.
anyways, it is true that there this slightly difference among the two.
now.....you could be right to blame the compression. what file did you upload, an mp3 or a wave?
I hear the same, I preferred the 2nd clip
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Upload was a mp3. I can bounce as a wav and email if you like.
Listening on my ear buds at work I can not notice a difference either.
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well...I can have a listen to it on your soundcloud if you upload it as wave. or send it via wetransfer at my email address: [email protected]
as you wish........
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I believe Soundcloud automatically compresses wave files to mp3.
I will email it when I return from work.
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I have emailed the clip.
I also upped the wav to Soundcloud here:
https://soundcloud.com/user501751099/2-4-vs-2-3
Same order as before. 2.4 first. Soundcloud still effects the quality but it does seem to be better to start with a wav file.
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Hi Tim again...........as mentioned in our email, I listened to it carefully with in ear system and could hear the difference which is the same as mentioned: 2.4 has more bottom compared to 2.3 which I found thinner. The timbre is the same of course but on 2.4 it has that low end which I like so much. Not a drastic increase! But that little bit of low end which is so joyful without making the riff muddy. Do you dig it?
I definitely give a thumb up for 2.4 which I found way better.
since CK found the difference in sound, he and the team will have the 2.4 release in some days/weeks and it'll sound at least as the one you have now if not better.
Tomorrow I will listen to it with Yamaha studio monitor so to confirm the same result.But overall I would stick to it!!
All the best
Michael
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Listening back to the 2.4 v 2.3 clip on KRK VXT 4's and Audio-Technicia ATH-M50's...I prefer the extra audible 'chunk' to 2.4 vs the 'hair' on 2.3.
So, it comes down to chunk vs. hair - which do you prefer?
I guess it just highlights how tone can be very subjective. Everyone has ears, go with what tickles yours.
