What FX are covered by your KPA.......

There are big things afoot according to rumour, so I'd hold fire on any effects pedals for the immediate future (I am, anyway).

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............ and what fx do you prefer to farm out to external pedals? As it stands at the moment, as much as I love the Kemper, there are certain FX types that I prefer coming from pedals. I thought the Kemper reverb wasn't too bad, until I placed my trusty TCE Hall of Fame in the chain. The difference was like chalk and cheese. Suffice to say, the HoF is now a permanent fixture. I've also struggled to get a decent, thick 80's-type flanger sound out of the toaster, although that might be down to my own ineptitude. Chorus is another effect that I'm struggling with. Try as I might, I can not get a really thick Andy Summers' type sound at all. And, lastly, the obvious one, delays. I'm currently debating whether or not to buy a Strymon Timeline to cover that area of things, or maybe holding fire to see what the next update brings. Ideally, I wanted the KPA to handle all of my sound, but am thinking this to be a tad overly optimistic.

What pedals (if any) are you lot using to supplement your Kemper sounds?

Quote from Bilbosmeggins

Yes, I had heard the rumours. That's why the Timeline hasn't been bought yet. Just in case

Care to share? My take is this:

Drives - very good models in the Kemper such as the Rat BUT I still prefer my analog drives in most cases.

Chorus - mainly use my small clone - warmer than the chorus in the Kemper

Pitch Shifter - I use the Kemper

Reverb and Delay - I use external units. The Kemper misses advanced reverb like modulated. I also find the delay is good but isn't very warm and the parameters are baffling. Why not have stomp like controls and different delay types like tape/digital/analog etc?

If the Kemper is updating the FX I wonder if they can compete with the Strymons of this world. Those all have a dedicated sharc chip each I believe.

You may not need to tweak the effects to get chorus/reverb/delay rigs:

@Mats_Nermark has the ultimate clean 80s chorus rig on his site.

@meambobbo has shared many, many great reverb and delay rigs.

Heres what paul was referring to:
MAB Advanced Reverb Release 3 - Rigs

More to come, hopefully this weekend. Not as big of a batch this time. Need to focus on quality over quantity

Hi,

The rig Paul refers to is at my web site:
http://www.nermark.com
But I'd didn't know he held it in high regard.

There are also other rigs there.

Cheers,

Mats N

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If the Kemper is updating the FX I wonder if they can compete with the Strymons of this world. Those all have a dedicated sharc chip each I believe.

From what I've heard, they're definitely going after the Strymons of this world...

Mats - I've recommended your rig many times over the years, but being able to "name tag" you is a relatively recent feature

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Mats - I've recommended your rig many times over the years, but being able to "name tag" you is a relatively recent feature

Thanks, Paul! I kind of like that rig myself. Haha!

Cheers,

Mats N

The only outboard effect I've felt the need to add is an Eventide Timefactor for some of the more complex and spacious delays sounds when recording.

Playing live I just use the Kempers onboard delays (tweaked a lot though to get closer to what I was after). I had a problem with the effects loop a few years ago that I never got resolved (making a god awful popping/thump noise when switching in and out) so I just abandoned it all together and used the onboard stuff. They get the job done, but agree the delays need some improvement to be able to compete with the Strymon/Eventide/etc class of delay effects.

I'm not a big effect user at all but when I record with the Kemper I always record dry and add effects in Pro Tools, things like Revibe for reverb, and Eventide/sound toys for delays/modulation you can't go wrong. Live I obviously use the Kemper effects and find they do the job ok but I'd love the KPA to take on things like the H3000 by Eventide for effects and I'm sure at some point they might but if they don't I'll still love the KPA as much as I do

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From what I've heard, they're definitely going after the Strymons of this world...

Will this be a new product do you think or part of our Kempers?

I'm sure someone more organised than me can link you to the thread but there was a comment (by CK I believe) that said the next job was working on FX. And that would be most welcome. The FX in the Kemper are made out to not be very good. I don't agree with that but what I would say is that the amp sounds themselves are unbeatable by any other current product. The current effects are not usually best in class vs other units. Doesn't mean they are bad but they're not top of the class like the amp sims are. All IMO of course

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Will this be a new product do you think or part of our Kempers?

FW update, I believe.

<p>I hope youre right about the new Reverb-Strymon quality. I was actually going to start a thread about the Reverb, because it definitely needs to meet the standards of today. The current Kemper Reverb options are very minimal. No Plate Reverb yet-very surprising.

I don't care if theres an update charge, if we get Strymon quality. </p>

I'm using my new H9 as external effect. KPA and H9 are a perfect match IMHO, they complement each other. Especially with the Roger Waters presets.

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FW update, I believe.

CK and his team will most probably find a way to use a small fraction of the power use by Strymon to get the same or even better results. After all It's exactly what they did for amps with the profiling technology. Maybe something like profiling reverbs, delays and mods as @Dean_R suggested in an other thread?

Personnaly I don't like to use pedals in the loop and I use my Timeline only at home for creativity matter.