I do not seem to be able to get good sustain on clean amps through my FRFR sound system, is there any way of getting more without loosing clean tone. I am not very good with pedals, stomps etc as just don't have the experience, so any ideas would be much appreciated, also any rigs you may know of that are clean with good sustain, you might have guessed I am a sustain addict but never really achieved it with a clean sound.
HOW TO GET MORE SUSTAIN ON A CLEAN RIG
- robbymust
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Try a compressor
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Also lots of generally as 'clean' perceived amps have a slight amount of grit/distortion to them.
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Robby, try my JTM30Clean rig. It's on the exchange.
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try the Sag and Compression parameters in the Amplifier section.
and turn it up!
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Robby, try my JTM30Clean rig. It's on the exchange.
thanks zappledan have downloaded your rigs and will try tonight plus will try the Sag and Compression parameters in the Amplifier section thanks , have used compression but doesn't seem to get that much sustain on my strat, but will do some more work on compression and sag ,,, thanks guys
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If Zap's rig doesn't help - Does your strat have sustain unplugged? With other amps?
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If Zap's rig doesn't help - Does your strat have sustain unplugged? With other amps?
Good point, Paul. I put a Bladerunner on my strats, and that boosted sustain ...
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How loud is the speaker that you're using as a monitor? You need the same loud volumes to create natural harmonic sustain that you'd expect from a real amp.
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More Gain - back down guitar volume !
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have used compression but doesn't seem to get that much sustain on my strat
Don't shy away from extreme settings of the stomp compressor. In connection with a ducking of the comp this can help to keep the attack more natural.
But also Paul's hint is very essential: the more sustain your guitar offers the less you have to push with comps and stuff.
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natural sustain should come from the guitar it self
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natural sustain should come from the guitar it self
+1. Even using headphones I've never had an issue with lack of sustain with the KPA, even with pristine clean stuff. Of course, all our expectations are different regarding sustain. How long a note are you trying to hold?
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I turned up the distortion sense and this dramatically increased my sustainHmm... To my understanding, per design of the KPA, this CANNOT increase sustain with clean sounds (per the original post)
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Try using the amp compression and don't be shy with turning it up. I have great results on clean rigs around the 6 to 6.5 mark and it responds so well to your touch. Watch out for unwanted extra noise and keep an eye to your output settings. Another good idea for some clean rigs is to try turning down the volume but turn up the cab volume - it may give you a different result and maybe add some more life to the profile...
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The Distortion Sens sounds pretty much the same as the Gain control. You should leave it where it was! And then maybe use the Gain to do a little bit of "clean dirt" and, yes, that bit of compression that comes at the edge of overdrive.
Try using the amp compression and don't be shy with turning it up.
The amp comp is good for a natural compression on clean sounds. The stomp comp is a great tool for "effect" style of compressions. I.e. really long Pop Music sounds.
I am working on the compression but do not know how ducking effects compression
The ducking parameter comes on page 2 of the stomp comp. If you set it to positive values (I have it on +3) the first and loudest part of the sound (attack) will be like as if the compressor is not there at all. And then only later, when the string rings out compression gently comes in.
You can also set the mix parameter on that page a bit down (I have it on 50%). This blends in the natural (uncompressed) sound and also helps to keep the attack a bit more natural.
With these two parameters it is possible to set the intensity of the compressor to much higher values than you normally would. Of course the price you have to pay for this mega-sustain is a lot of noise at the end of the tones.
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Do you have the noise gate enabled at all? If so disable it.
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what is a bladerunner is this a different pickup my strat has vintage alnicos
Bladerunner is a tremolo system: http://www.super-vee.com/
It definitely boosts sustain. I have them on both of my strats.
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Do you have the noise gate enabled at all? If so disable it.
This may sound strange but it is true! Too high settings of the input noise gate may result in a strange, dull sound with less sustain.
