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    so our band uses an app called bandhelper to run lyrics and send midi patch changes to my keyboard rig, my bass rig and to our guitarists Kemper rack. Here's where something new has gotten flaky. when I send out midi patch change from the ipad I can see on his remote that the patch changes to say bank 2 patch E, BUT ... the sound isn't patch E from bank 2. he has to physically click a button next to it and back onto switch E to get the correct sound to load.. it wasn't this way before, maybe something in the firmware update, idk. Kemper is on midi channel 2 and nothing else is using 2, midi commands being sent are msb 1, lsb 1, patch 10.


    to further stump you.. I use a kemper stage, I copied all his performances to the stage and it can't be replicated on the stage


    Any ideas?

    My guess is that the Kemper is setup to use either 0-127, or 1-128

    This is faded memory, and my kemper isn't running right now for me to check, but it might explain why you're out by 1.

    Quote from dmatthews

    My guess is that the Kemper is setup to use either 0-127, or 1-128

    This is faded memory, and my kemper isn't running right now for me to check, but it might explain why you're out by 1.

    i'm not out by one, i'm not loading the correct settings at all.. he just clicks a button next to it and goes back to the selection that midi sent and it loads the correct patch.. Investigating the performance load parameter to see what mine is set on vs what his is as I don't have the issue when swapping mine for his

    Quote from Wheresthedug

    sounds like the performance load parameter in system menu is set to pending.

    what SHOULD it be set to instead of pending? for the scenario of, i click on the midi preset at beginning of each song, so like Man in the Box is patch 1e and I want to have that come up as soon as I hit the midi send where i'm sending lsb1, msb1 patch 5.. cuase you know the guitarist is always walking around, never in front of the remote lol

    The setting of Performance Load shouldn't have any impact if MIDI program changes are sent. It directly loads the Slot.

    Make sure, the Slot to be loaded is enabled.

    And make sure the values are correct and not mixed with logical numbers. To load Slot 5 of Performance 6 you need to send

    bank select MSB value 0 - it's always 0, so you don't need to send MSB

    bank select LSB value 0 - associated with first MIDI Bank Performance 1 Slot 1 - Performance 26 Slot3

    program change value 30 (value 29)


    If you for example send MSB value 1, you are adressing outsite of the PROFILER memory.

    As a total aside - I've horsed around with Bandhelper in the past.


    Decent app.......it works and is reliable....but it's ugly and rather clunky.

    “Without music, life would be a mistake.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

    Quote from Burkhard

    The setting of Performance Load shouldn't have any impact if MIDI program changes are sent. It directly loads the Slot.

    Thanks for clarifying. That is how I would expect it to work. However, the wording in the Manual currently contradicts this. And implies that Midi changes need to use either Slot 1 or Keep Slot.

    Quote from Kemper manual Page 275

    If “Performance Load” (“Perf.Load”) is set to “Slot 1” or “Keep Slot”, the corresponding Slot of a Performance will be loaded automatically as soon as you select another Performance via Remote, Stage or MIDI. By default, “Performance Load” is set to “Pending”. This way you can keep playing your current Rig while you are navigating through the Performances via PROFILER Remote, Stage or MIDI until you finally select a Slot

    Quote from Ruefus

    I've horsed around with Bandhelper in the past. [...] but it's ugly and rather clunky.

    As an alternative, you might want to take a look at LivePrompter- fully optimized for live performance, and it's also free ;)


    I built it for my own use and I'm letting everybody else use it for free (unless you reeeeally want to buy me a coffee...).


    Available for Windows and Android.


    Cheers,


    Torsten


    In my opinion Live Traker is the best you can get for a small Band.
    It's every thing on one laptop..
    -- Setlist
    -- Multitracker

    -- DMX Light

    -- Video Screen playing

    -- Lyric's also working with PAD and external monitors


    https://livetraker.com


    We used Live Tracker on stage a lot .. for example all backing Vocal, additional Instruments , Midi Control for Kemper and Keyboard and also Light and Video.
    You can see the "Player Rack" near the Drummer. We send about 8 Stereo tracks plus Live instruments to the FOH and Stage Monitor.

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    Be the force with you ;)

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    Tight.

    Not my genre (like...at all.) .....but well-played music is cool no matter what.

    “Without music, life would be a mistake.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

    we looked at livetraker and settled on Bandhelper for 90% of what we do and Multitracker on ipad for the tracks, we only use 6 and play all the other stuff. We opted against livetracker because we didn't want to be dragging windows machines around. And bandhelper allows screen OR action broadcast, so my guitarist can see what he wants to see, while I have everything else on my screen, but when I advance list his and the drummers list all follow, much easier for calling audibles. Our song list is around 382 songs and we each have our own visible pages for lyrics. like in one song I only do a spoken word part so that's all that's on my screen, guitarist sings song so full lyrics on his, drummer is too dumb to sing so he gets BIG letters for songs and a blinking box around each saying "follow this speed" which is sent MTC, and also to the delay settings in gtr kemper

    Yoda Guitar - stuff live tracker, lets talk about the band! Is that you? Great stuff dude, I loved it!! That eastern flavour running through it...fab!

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    Yoda Guitar – stuff live tracker, lets talk about the band! Is that you? Great stuff dude, I loved it!! That eastern flavour running through it...fab!

    Sorry to say the Band is no longer existing after the pandemie.
    The Girl is now working on here single career.
    You can listen to the Album we made here.
    https://open.spotify.com/intl-…st/4VmsYh2GKxJRTN72MZFPAX
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    Be the force with you ;)

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    For anyone else who may have this issue in the future, MSB and LSB in bandhelper should NOT be 0 it should just be left blank. The 0 will cause the app to exit

    I'm using Bandhelper and am sending LSB to load Performances Slots across different MIDI banks.

    I leave MSB blank since it is meaningless anyhow.

    But Bandhelper works with the logical range 1-128. So you should avoid 0s.